PVP Avanced & HSSR - Feedback
#1
Posted 16 July 2010 - 03:11 AM
Anne Bonney, a notorious pirate in her own right, told her husband, Calico Jack Bonney, as he was captured by pirate hunters,
“if you'd have fought like a man you needn't hang like a dog”.
Done some class's
#2
Posted 16 July 2010 - 06:48 AM
took me a good 15 minutes to start clicking with your accent. but once i picked up an ear for it the advanced class was great.
the content and pace was just fine for my level of experience in the game. the brief review of basic concepts, and the touched on points of wolfpack, was helpful. good review and leveled the knowledge base for the members of the class. it was well executed. with a well placed bio break to act as a good separator between review and the advanced portion.
advanced itself was well laid out. i also liked the approach to the class. rather than just being lecture you got the class involved in the theory and actively got people thinking about priorities. about how to fit ships, how to think tactically and strategically, and how to mull over possibilities.
i can see where wolfpack would have been an aid to the learning for advanced. there is a substantial jump from the strategy and tactics of basic to the advanced curriculum. if you've played the game a while and/or really thought about PVP and then done it...then the course should have been review and application of what you already know. at 3 and a half years of game play the transition from basic to advanced wasn't difficult for me. it was a lot of fun and intriguing to see other peoples thoughts on different subjects. Im by no means a professional PVPer and at 67 million + SP i feel the course was well worth the effort and time. however, if i was at the skill and experience level i was at when i was 6 months old, or even a year old, the course would have just gone over my head without something in between basic and advanced. target selection and good independent thinking for a lot of the subjects require a good amount of knowledge of different ships and fittings, standard usages of an immense variety of items, and detailed experience with game mechanics.
the reading materials were good and useful as always.
however, with how the class was executed, im still unsure of the differences between advanced and advanced HSSR. the subject matter is very intertwined. i can see where HSSR is a specialized cruiser course. and advanced is simply an intro to cruisers and critical thinking. but with this class merging advanced with no wolfpack training, HSSR, battle cruisers, and logi its very hard to see where the defining differences are between what a normal advanced would offer and what a normal HSSR would offer. im keen on sitting in on a stand alone advanced and a stand alone HSSR to see how the content is laid out as compared to this course.
however, with just this combo course in mind, I could see a retooling of the cruiser series of courses. a more academic breakdown of the subjects might be a new series of courses. start with an "Intro to Cruisers" wherein cruiser strategies are taught. an intro to how to fit cruisers. basic roles of cruiser and their purposes: strengths and weaknesses. keep this course lecture and Q&A driven. allude to more advanced topics but stay focused on making sure everyone is on level of what it is to be a cruiser generalist. then go into specialty courses like "Advanced Cruiser Tactics: HSSR," "Advanced Cruiser Tactics: HSLR," and "Advanced Cruiser Tactics: Logistics and Fleet Support." make these classes more graduate level seminar driven. teach them as Caldak taught today's course: with topics that are discussed openly by the group. things like scenarios, how to fit a ship for this or that role, how to best pick targets, what to do when and where. no wrong answer driven learning where all of the pilot pool their experience and what they've learned from previous classes while the instructor narrates and directs the subject and flow of the course with small lectures on subject and providing examples and offering their specialized knowledge as the instructor. then do full combined roams with all of these course graduates as caldak is planning on this saturday. just food for though.
the TL/DR version:
me likey the class !lol
[link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com//e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?189530]BASIC - 20100417[/link] | [link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?214306]WOLFPACKS-201008281800[/link] | [link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/////e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?210439]Combo Advanced/Advanced HSSR - 1807102100[/link]
SEMINARS:
[link=http://agony-unleashed.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?164784.0]FC BASIC - 20091114 (asynchronous)[/link] | [link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?199338]The FC's Eyes in PVP - 20101605[/link]
SPECIALIST CLASSES:
[link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/////e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?210439]HSSR - 1807102100[/link]
[link=http://eveboard.com/pilot/CSM_Barret][/link]
#3
Posted 16 July 2010 - 06:51 PM
#4
Posted 16 July 2010 - 07:58 PM
#5
Posted 17 July 2010 - 02:47 AM
#6
Posted 17 July 2010 - 03:46 AM
[link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com//e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?189530]BASIC - 20100417[/link] | [link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?214306]WOLFPACKS-201008281800[/link] | [link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/////e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?210439]Combo Advanced/Advanced HSSR - 1807102100[/link]
SEMINARS:
[link=http://agony-unleashed.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?164784.0]FC BASIC - 20091114 (asynchronous)[/link] | [link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?199338]The FC's Eyes in PVP - 20101605[/link]
SPECIALIST CLASSES:
[link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/////e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?210439]HSSR - 1807102100[/link]
[link=http://eveboard.com/pilot/CSM_Barret][/link]
#7
Posted 17 July 2010 - 03:48 AM
These classes have been experimental that Caldak decided to put together, so the class content and supporting materials have not been ironed out yet. There are several other classes in development stage. There has been discussion about removing Wolfpacks from the sequence (normally a destroyer roam) and re-combining the few pvp mechanics this class goes over with PVP-Advanced and destroyer information with PVP-Flybys to open up weekends for more of these new classes featuring battlecruisers, interceptors, stealth bombers, logistics, and perhaps sniper hacs....however, with how the class was executed, im still unsure of the differences between advanced and advanced HSSR. the subject matter is very intertwined. i can see where HSSR is a specialized cruiser course. and advanced is simply an intro to cruisers and critical thinking. but with this class merging advanced with no wolfpack training, HSSR, battle cruisers, and logi its very hard to see where the defining differences are between what a normal advanced would offer and what a normal HSSR would offer. im keen on sitting in on a stand alone advanced and a stand alone HSSR to see how the content is laid out as compared to this course.
it was only yesterday's sacrifices that made today's disappointments possible
"What is done out of lulz always takes place beyond good and evil" - Friedrich Nietzsche
#8
Posted 17 July 2010 - 04:05 AM
[link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com//e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?205984]BASIC-20100702[/link]
[link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com//e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?210439]ADVANCED HSSR-1807102100[/link]
[link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?214306]WOLFPACKS-201008281800[/link]
[link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?232075]COVOPS - 281101800[/link]
#9
Posted 17 July 2010 - 04:08 AM
So there are plans to resurrect Skirmishing and PVP-Bombers? Yay \o/
#10
Posted 17 July 2010 - 04:32 AM
#11
Posted 17 July 2010 - 05:45 AM
#12
Posted 17 July 2010 - 05:46 AM
"Complete failure? What? Are we giving up and going home? Huh? What's going on??.."
BASIC-1512071900
WOLFPACKS-0202081900
#13
Posted 17 July 2010 - 06:33 AM
After tourney ended I recruited some volunteers to look into putting together new classes, so hopefully at some point we will put a few together and run them through the public, but no eta on this yet.So there are plans to resurrect Skirmishing and PVP-Bombers? Yay \o/
The plan was to keep the class around, but restructure it into a specialty class that deals with destroyers and remove it as requirement for Advanced. Roaming in dessies is always good fun, but conceptually Wolfpacks never taught as much new information as Basic or Advanced.Not in the HSSR class, but as a graduate of Wolfpacks, i have to say that experience was just as valuable to me as BASIC. The roam was phenomenal as it's really impressive to see what 50-60 dessies can do to a hostile fleet with a good FC. I would certainly recommend keeping the class around, it was a ton of fun.
it was only yesterday's sacrifices that made today's disappointments possible
"What is done out of lulz always takes place beyond good and evil" - Friedrich Nietzsche
#14
Posted 17 July 2010 - 09:02 AM
MORAL, adj. Conforming to a local and mutable standard of right. Having the quality of general expediency.
#15
Posted 17 July 2010 - 09:35 AM
Our pleasure, Othran!Wasn't on the class section but thanks for taking the 5 large bubbles down on the Y-M gate guys - meant I didn't have to spend ages slowboating it in
#16
Posted 17 July 2010 - 05:38 PM
MORAL, adj. Conforming to a local and mutable standard of right. Having the quality of general expediency.
#17
Posted 18 July 2010 - 04:23 AM
[link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com//e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?189530]BASIC - 20100417[/link] | [link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?214306]WOLFPACKS-201008281800[/link] | [link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/////e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?210439]Combo Advanced/Advanced HSSR - 1807102100[/link]
SEMINARS:
[link=http://agony-unleashed.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?164784.0]FC BASIC - 20091114 (asynchronous)[/link] | [link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?199338]The FC's Eyes in PVP - 20101605[/link]
SPECIALIST CLASSES:
[link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/////e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?210439]HSSR - 1807102100[/link]
[link=http://eveboard.com/pilot/CSM_Barret][/link]
#18
Posted 18 July 2010 - 04:31 AM
#19
Posted 18 July 2010 - 04:34 AM
http://img687.images...k1i1jbattle.jpg
http://img517.images...1i1jbattle2.jpg
#20
Posted 18 July 2010 - 04:37 AM
While I was in a pod, I snapped some screenies of the big battle:
http://img687.images...k1i1jbattle.jpg
http://img517.images...1i1jbattle2.jpg
[06:16:15 ] Caldak > yes
#21
Posted 18 July 2010 - 04:44 AM
#22
Posted 18 July 2010 - 04:54 AM
Anne Bonney, a notorious pirate in her own right, told her husband, Calico Jack Bonney, as he was captured by pirate hunters,
“if you'd have fought like a man you needn't hang like a dog”.
Done some class's
#23
Posted 18 July 2010 - 04:58 AM
[link=http://agony-unleashed.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?164784]FC BASIC-20091114[/link]
[link=http://agony-unleashed.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?169472]WOLFPACKS-20091215[/link]
[link=http://agony-unleashed.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?185995]ADVANCED-2603102400[/link]
[link=http://agony-unleashed.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?195531.0]ADVANCED HSSR -0805102300[/link]
[link=http://agony-unleashed.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?199338l]The FC's Eyes in PVP - 20101605[/link]
[link=http://agony-unleashed.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?220637]COVOPS - 1909101800[/link]
#24
Posted 18 July 2010 - 05:07 AM
(I didn't make the screen, someone linked it in fleet and it was p. hilarious imo)
Linkified to not break the forum ~
Had a lot of fun during the roam, was surprised how well the logistics worked in the fight we had with co2 - great jobs by you guys
Will try and write some more when I wake up some time later today.
BASIC | WOLFPACKS | ADVANCED | ADVANCED HSSR
#25
Posted 18 July 2010 - 05:45 AM