41 replies to this topic

[DaDutchDude]

I remember when I had a tough time getting 15 people to sign up for a class. This just makes me smile despite the mess it caused. The fact that there is such amazing demand for classes from agony is pretty awesome. When I started the school most people laughed at me or said that the students were being idiots for paying for the course. Now we have people using refresh button spam to get in a class. Amazing.

See ... it is all your fault! You started it all! How evil of you! We even PVP to get into a PVP class! You bastard! ~

BTW: Hey Rells, you back? 8)

[Edmund]

@Dutch ~Hmmm nice sugestion - make skrimsh torunament t1 frigs for Agony curse entrance permint...we get winners and show them a Warior Way :amazed:

[MoragTong]

I understand there is a high demand for the class. I personally have been signed-up for it and had to bow out due to RL stuff. I didn't request a refund, because of my late withdrawal(and 12 mil really isnt THAT much). I am trying to get in the class in order to apply for membership in the Agony Corp itself, so will bide my time. In the past, if you were on the email list and got here in the a.m.(U.S.) you had a good chance of getting in. When the class fills in less than a minute, it makes it impossible unless you are able to spam the page all morning. Makeing a pre-sign up page seems to be a good idea if you do 3 things: 1: Limit it to 100 people. 2: Make the sign-up fee NON-refundable, for all 100. 3: Everyone who gets accepted to the class must confirm at least 48hours prior to the class. If not, they're out and the ISK is still NON-refundable. This will scare off the people who want to hold a spot "just in-case" they can make it and will make the added admin. time at least profitable. No biggie, I realize that this is more of a service to us, than a money making venture for you. I will just try harder next time.

[stok]

I think agony is overwhelmed by the demand for the pvp-basic class. As Rells stated before, it was hard to get 15 people for one class in the beginning, now it's almost impossible to sign up in time. I'm sure agony is excited about the fact that more and more people would like to do this pvp class. So i'm sure they are doing what they can to increase the number of classes they can do. But in order to give these classes you do need instructors first. !lol

[Bamar]

I think agony is overwhelmed by the demand for the pvp-basic class. As Rells stated before, it was hard to get 15 people for one class in the beginning, now it's almost impossible to sign up in time.

I'm sure agony is excited about the fact that more and more people would like to do this pvp class. So i'm sure they are doing what they can to increase the number of classes they can do. But in order to give these classes you do need instructors first. !lol

Actually at the moment the limiting factor on classes is simply weekends to hold them without completely neglecting our internal corporate gangs. We've got plenty of instructors/FCs right now, just not enough time to hold classes in

[Phobos]

Why are we talking on a forum, get out there and PEW PEW, Fly dangerous Phobos out!

[Jin Darius]

Part of the reason I joined Agony were the forums/wiki, not just the pew pew I've been going over the forum/wiki for days now and still feel like I have far more to learn! The internal certs remind me just reading all this info doesn't mean I've learned it yet too.

[Atlas Elestra]

Actually if you think about it Edmund, the losers of the tournament should get in the class.

[stok]

Actually if you think about it Edmund, the losers of the tournament should get in the class.

That will be interesting. You'll actually have a fleet of pilots that refuse to shoot eachother just to get into the class. Awsome combat! 3+ hours idle shipfighting Do it in lowsec/0.0 and you might actually attract some hostile pilots that shoot the crap out of the contestents. First to die gets in the class right?

[Aenyeweddien]

~Hmmm nice sugestion - make skrimsh torunament t1 frigs for Agony curse entrance permint...

Edmund's sugestion is interesting as event but this isn't good idea as curse permit.
1) If only the winners had chance for curse then the people with better skills, some experience had more chance to win. But we could't forget that for curses wan't to join people which not so long play in Eve or earlier chose diffrent way than pvp too.
2) If you take the looser - all people if they wan't they could loose (choose the worst ship for tournament, fit only t1 stuff, make mistike), you could be the best pvp-er in Eve but if you wan't you could loose with person which just start play...

But the main reason is that prearing tournament isn't so easy.
When I start play I had possibility to participate of frigs tournament in my corporation (then I remember many thinks), couple weeks ago I organised for friendly corporation the same. Preparing, thinking about rules etc. take some time and this was my time for play. For this I resigned from hunting, from roams etc... Personaly I don't regret that I make this.
But we could't forget that all of us play for own pleasure, and we could't expect that somebody resigned from this for strange people.

[Bamar]

~Hmmm nice sugestion - make skrimsh torunament t1 frigs for Agony curse entrance permint...

Edmund's sugestion is interesting as event but this isn't good idea as curse permit.
1) If only the winners had chance for curse then the people with better skills, some experience had more chance to win. But we could't forget that for curses wan't to join people which not so long play in Eve or earlier chose diffrent way than pvp too.
2) If you take the looser - all people if they wan't they could loose (choose the worst ship for tournament, fit only t1 stuff, make mistike), you could be the best pvp-er in Eve but if you wan't you could loose with person which just start play...

But the main reason is that prearing tournament isn't so easy.
When I start play I had possibility to participate of frigs tournament in my corporation (then I remember many thinks), couple weeks ago I organised for friendly corporation the same. Preparing, thinking about rules etc. take some time and this was my time for play. For this I resigned from hunting, from roams etc... Personaly I don't regret that I make this.
But we could't forget that all of us play for own pleasure, and we could't expect that somebody resigned from this for strange people.

I believe it was a joke

[DaDutchDude]

@Dutch
~Hmmm nice sugestion - make skrimsh torunament t1 frigs for Agony curse entrance permint...we get winners and show them a Warior Way :amazed:

Heh ... actually, I used the PVP term in a very broad way, one that is too often overlooked in EVE: players compete for things, like kills in combat, roids in mining, profit in trade, and places in AU PVPU places when signing up here.

In that sense, we are just carrying on the EVE tradition here, and 'fight' over available places in classes as hard as we fight over getting on a kill mail out in 0.0. Of course certain players will carry on their own tradition of complaining when things don't come their way and expect the world to adept to them instead of the other way around. I will refrain from suggesting to play another game and just suggest they have a lot to learn.

Edit:
/me waves to Sanpaku
Hope you don't miss classes m8, enjoyed 'sharing' classes with ya ... damn slow interwebs ~

[Sanpaku Deska]

One thing to point out that I don't think has been mentioned:

When I signed up for COV-OPS I was there f5-ing along with the rest of us from the git-go. The problem is, when I'd post an application to class, it took over 6 tries -- all but the last were rejected, and in each case I was sent back to the home page, so I'd have to re-enter the ENROLLMENT section, re-enter the thread, and try again.

This almost certainly has to do with the dismally slow telecommunications in my locale. However...

If a 50-man course signs up in 1 minute, it's nearly a mathematical certainty I'll never make it into that class no matter how many times the class runs -- and neither will anyone else with slower telecommunications (I'm .75m up and 3m down -- supposedly -- but that's just plain linespeed. Through the CO or switch is probably where we lose a lot of time). So... My process would be:

1. Sign up and likely find that response has already been used, so my message doesn't post.
2. Get kicked to the Home page.
3. Get back to Enrollment
4. Enter the signup thread and....

Too late -- over a minute.

I've talked to my ISP. The problem isn't them (and I concur by the tracert output) -- it's the shared infrastructure that all ISP's in my area use. So changing providers won't help. Their only suggestion was that I get a T1... And they aren't certain that'll do it either.

If I were the only one that faces this problem, I'd either work it out or walk away politely. But I'm not. Considering the international nature of this game, there are lots and lots of people with response problems similar to mine or worse. I'm guessing I'm in the lower 35% but not a lot worse. So others must be experiencing this problem too, I believe, and as class demand increases, this problem will exacerbate.

I have no problems at all with being here at the right time, being careful about only using an official thread, realizing I won't always get in, knowing I have to do it right -- no sweat. But as enrollment increases, it's outpacing the lower end of the Inet infrastructure. It'd be nice to find a way that doesn't permanently exclude one because the telco infrastructure isn't responsive enough.

Regards,

Sanpaku

BASIC - 1403091800
WOLFPACKS- 2103091800
ADVANCED - 0404091800
COV-OPS - 1804090001

[Rakasha]

I had exactly the same problem. Somehow managed to make a reply. My suggestions were made with this issue in mind.

[monica]

I don't want to sound impatient or anything, But when is the pvp basic topic updated with the names of capsuleers who are granted a spot ? Fly safe, Monica

[Carnagerose]

They give you a week to go over the reading material, so ask again when there is less than a week before the class.

[monica]

cheers mate