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[Kaeda Maxwell]

2 hrs rushing about scaring everybody away
5 mins of terror and a sudden death! lol

Sadly that seizes up the state of PvP in EVE at the current time in it's history quite accurately.

A lot of pr0, 1337, zOmG I'm awesome people who think that PvP is about how awesome their killboard stats look.Yesterday when we saw a T1 & T2 cruiser gang near each other both able to fight us on even terms what they saw was; "Oh noes these guys in their frigates might add half a billion is losses to our killboard we better run!"

't is sad but such is the state of the game.

On a side note Caldak you do need to apologize for other people being pansies! ;-)

[Othran]

Well I dunno what to say about that. Fountain fight was only going to end one way but I think we were all up for it by that point in time. PF is another matter. I'm quite astounded at how much I sucked there. By the time second squad was in, first squad was dead. Second squad had no dps really - I ended up with two guns burnt out and ammo "stuck" in the other two (had to offline/online them) and that bloody cane survived What makes PF annoying is that it could/should have been different, just a load of little mistakes adding up. Oh well live and learn. I ran into Ka Jolo and his lads (Tuskers) on the low-sec run through from Orvolle to Stacmon at the end of the roam. Apart from one Ruppie they didn't seem to want a fight either :/ Oh and Hyenas with AB suck. Needs a mwd which will bring its own cap/bloom issues to the party no doubt. Fun being back in Syndicate even if it was empty. Thanks Caldak. Edit - actually having had a look at the logs I owe you all a big apology. I disconnected at one point, which put two guns offline (bug) but as they were linked it wasn't apparent from the icons that I was missing 2 guns. That's not what the apology is for though - I didn't check the ship before undocking at F67 prior to the PF fight. That's why I was doing crap DPS in PF and also why the bloody ammo got stuck on one gun stack as I switched to RF PP. Bloody hell no wonder the cane survived - he must have been wondering wtf was going on At least we know a bit more about why the fight went that way....

[Varius]

I was surprised at the unwillingness to engage us. Our Basic class a few weeks ago had four or five great fights in the space of three hours. It just depends on who's playing, really. I was extremely disappointed at the 35 man T1 cruiser gang that refused to fight. That had the potential to be a really, really great brawl. T1 cruiser have roughly 4-5 times more EHP than a T1 frigate, and about 2-3 times the DPS. The disadvantage is in the tracking and the speed. It would have been a fantastic opportunity to test our distributed EW. Then they docked up and logged off to make us go away. Oh well. For those who saw me put a bit of smacktalk in local, that was basically a calculated way to goad them into fighting us. Sometimes a few smartarse comments in local can put the enemy FC off his game a little bit and make him rush into things a bit more. Unfortunately it didn't seem to make a difference in this case!

[Kara Thrayce]

Look for the next Basic roam and come along as Alumni.
Wishing us luck so we can get more fights and fly your T2 frigates.

Precisely what I intend to do.

Great class, for me personally. With this Character being an old alt account that's starting fresh with a PVP perspective, the roam is what I needed. If it wasn't for clipping a bubble, I would have survived longer but there was a great sense of satisfaction seeing my ship in flames burning away from the enemy and warping off. Oddly, It was the trip home that killed me, twice! Good times.

On day 2 I was definitely tired after 8 hours.At that point I had already been up for 18 as it was.I'll be re-attending as an Alumni a few times over. In the meantime, I'll be working on T2's, more supports and getting into a Rupture.

Thanks for taking the time and effort to field a large group.

Had a great time Caldak. I'm looking forward to doing it again.

KT

[Bubbles Udan]

Bubbles watched the vid.
Bad boy, you didn't apply that damp on anyone? but thanks for posting it.

I really didn't know who to damp. I missed the order on comms and the fleet didn't respond when I asked for a repeat, so I just started browsing the targets looking for someone attacking at range to burn to and damp while keeping my traversal up toward the rupture shooting at me. If there was a good candidate, I missed it. :/

I was also expecting the enemy to all land on the other bubble like that one cane did. Apparently the bubble has to be put up before someone enters warp?

[Othran]

I was also expecting the enemy to all land on the other bubble like that one cane did. Apparently the bubble has to be put up before someone enters warp?

Yes, you have to deploy a bubble before the target enters warp.

The intent in this case was to try to split them on the drag and stop bubbles, hence Caldak being so insistent wanting to know when they warped.

Its very time sensitive and (IMHO) only tends to work when you have a fleet chasing you. In this instance their FC got them all (bar the idiot cane) completely aligned so they warped as a group. That's why some of them didn't land on the stop bubble.

[Othran]

Then, I asked how to post a kill to BC that wasn't showing and no one could help me.

They'll filter through to BC eventually - it pulls from a lot of players APIs.

To post there you just have to allow all the scripts to run and click on the killboard menu option for Eve - HTH for the future.

A bit of advice if I may, although as you're new to PvP I quite understand if you ignore it, I would have at that stage too :

You will be much happier with your PvP if you simply ignore kill/lossmails. Give your corp your limited API and the CEO can sort out a killboard if he wants (CEOs get all the kill/lossmails for the corp members).

I gave up looking at killmails best part of a year ago. I don't post them now and nobody has my limited API. I simply don't care what the target had fitted etc unless the fight was unusual. For example I had no idea I had that Kitsune killmail as I am out of the habit of looking at the combat log. Amusingly the Kitsune pilot and I have a fair bit of PvP "history" between us - I never noticed who he was last night or I'd have said hello as he popped

I can understand why corps want macro data from kill/lossmails - it allows the corp to quickly assess whether they're getting pwned over a period of time by a specific corp for example. As an individual pilot I'm well aware of whether things are going OK without constantly inspecting my kills so I no longer bother

[Bubbles Udan]

2 hrs rushing about scaring everybody away
5 mins of terror and a sudden death! lol

Sadly that seizes up the state of PvP in EVE at the current time in it's history quite accurately.

A lot of pr0, 1337, zOmG I'm awesome people who think that PvP is about how awesome their killboard stats look.Yesterday when we saw a T1 & T2 cruiser gang near each other both able to fight us on even terms what they saw was; "Oh noes these guys in their frigates might add half a billion is losses to our killboard we better run!"

't is sad but such is the state of the game.

On a side note Caldak you do need to apologize for other people being pansies! ;-)

Well, if that is 1337, I don't want to be 1337

I really like the idea of fighting for a huge alliance(I come from Planetside), but most of the alliances I have come across are not people I would want to be associated with. I'm still new so I am sure there is someone

Funny note, I did get a kill in the fight vs test sort of..

http://eve.battlecli...php?id=14140313

The rifter I took a pot shot at ended up getting bombed and killed later. I'll take it

[nak an]

my assessment of our roam it was awesome! do I care about killboards, F no, however,.... from our killboard... Top killers 1. Nak an 6 )))))

[Rendaga]

Thanks for the class & roam. I'll definitely be back for more. I think the best part for me was being able to listen to all the recon reports coming in ... Caldak, I don't know how you can make sense of all that info coming in so fast and, at the same time, ride herd on 50+ noobs without losing your cool (or your mind). I expected to die in a great ball of fire and I wasn't disappointed, so thanks! And like someone else already said, it's pretty sad that the only way to get a fight in Null is to tell someone your route, fleet composition and approximate ETA

[Sadamu]

Great time back on my second Agony roam! Took an Ares out this time, and ended up in the right place at the right time to try being eyes, and to offer up my flaming bits of ship and pod in the service of the fleet.

And yes, I know scouts aren't supposed to die.

But I can't wait to die with you all next time!

[Josh]

Thanks to Caldak, Agony and Class for roaming and many thanks to the Agony pilot, who has repeated FC's commands in a fleet chat - great job! A few issues from my side: - when you change dates, please just write Eve date (like you do with Eve time), not Australian or East European or... I have missed 1st day and realized it only when we were already roaming. - as it was said, sometimes commands weren't clear - was hard to understand exactly to whom it was said. Possibly using of more exactly statements, like "Fleet, Fleet undock and align to..." or "Wing2, Wing2...." would give students more understanding what happens and what they should to do right now; - What is a frig's fleet BASICs tactics in low sec or war dec? 0.0 experience is very good and using bubbles is also interesting, though it is not definitely BASICs PVP. Thanks for this, of cause but really my expectations were a bit different. - using fleet audio/chat for different irrelevant conversations is simply terrible; Anyways, it was very good experience, I think I’ll definitely take a part as alumni. Thanks a lot! -- Josh

[Othran]

- What is a frig's fleet BASICs tactics in low sec or war dec? 0.0 experience is very good and using bubbles is also interesting, though it is not definitely BASICs PVP. Thanks for this, of cause but really my expectations were a bit different.

Ah I wish you'd mentioned something about that on the roam night. No offence to Agony but I'm sure they'd agree that they suck in low-sec and nobody is much interested in high-sec station games.

Most of my kills have been in low-sec. Kaeda Maxwell was around too - she's in Black Rebel Rifter Club who are a bunch of fun guys that roam lowsec in frigates (and occasionally in things called [Bellicose, Kiting Faggotry Bellicose] ).

The tl;dr is that if you use frigates in low-sec you can't fight on-station or gate unless your target aggresses you first. Frigate gangs are rare for that reason (with the exception of Factional Warfare), you'll mainly find solo/couple of frigates operating. Good dscan skills are a must to find targets away from gate/station.

Wardec in empire is same as null-sec pvp except no bombs/bubbles - and no cynos/capitals (apart from Orca) if its high-sec. Its simpler but less flexible compared to null pvp.

HTH - snag one of the flashy reds (below -5) who turn up from time to time and they'll point you in the right direction.

[Josh]

if you use frigates in low-sec you can't fight on-station or gate unless your target aggresses you first. Frigate gangs are rare for that reason (with the exception of Factional Warfare), you'll mainly find solo/couple of frigates operating. Good dscan skills are a must to find targets away from gate/station.

Wardec in empire is same as null-sec pvp except no bombs/bubbles - and no cynos/capitals (apart from Orca) if its high-sec. Its simpler but less flexible compared to null pvp.

HTH - snag one of the flashy reds (below -5) who turn up from time to time and they'll point you in the right direction.

Well, there are some possibilities in low sec too - plexes for solo'ing or hunting n00b hunters in belts, but you're right - it is for very small gang or even for solo pvp. At an acc.gate to a plex there is also a possibility for a frig fleet to engage a cane, or a faction cruiser, or even both who were counting with an incoming solo Dramiel.
And thanks, it helped

[Othran]

We're a bit off-topic now but I guess someone will give me a slap if its too off-topic. FW plexs are some of the best places to find fun. High probability of being blobbed by one or both militias but at least you know what can get in etc - if you got a few mates then get into the plex and sit on the button, you got lots of range from in-gate so you can play around a bit more without being rapidly blobbed. The problem with going GCC is of course the timers (all 4 of them). They're fine once you get used to them but it puts most people off.

[Kaeda Maxwell]

To add to Othran; Yeah it also helps that most lowsec is like a village and after a time you acquire a familiarity with the faces/names in local, I pretty much know which people will blob, uncloak their force recon alt on me etc... Plexes are a mixed blessing yes sometimes you'll get fights but other times fw pilots just start raging at you in local cause you won't let them do it in peace (guess they missed they were in lowsec). And then ofc lowsec PvP is all opportunism at the end of the day, there's no real fights over turf (would be pointless) and except for the occasional 1vs1 or run in with another pirate or fw gang willing to engage on even terms (pirates are your best bet here, FW people tend not to engage unless they have the upper hand rather clearly), most people are to careful in lowsec to get caught by combat probes or in scan plexes etc. Basically the key to good fights in low is being willing to punch above your weight class and learning who's who. Beyond that fleet discipline and comms as Agony teaches them will serve you as well in lowsec and hisec as it does in null. p.s. Oth that bellicose was fun to fly :-P

[Othran]

It looked like a fun fit (in terms of pissing corpies off) - what was the tank fit one you killed last? For anyone wondering they had a month of flying things like Scythes and Bellicose and it ended up with a last man/woman standing comp. Oh and lowsec is more of a desert these days - even "diehard ex-null never going back to that BS politics" are moving out

[Appolo Illat]

Learnt a lot in the lesson and had a great time on the roam even though we did not get many fights. Being a total PVP noob it was good to see how a large fleet is run. I will definately be going on another. Could someone tell me when the title post will be updated to show who graduated. I need evidence so my corp will pay the enrolment fee. Cheers Appolo

[Othran]

Ah you're coming on Wolfpacks too Kaeda - the Tusker lads are only 4 hops away from Stacmon if you fancy a bit of early-doors fun? Shouldn't affect class roam as its off towards the PF side of Syndicate. They seemed a bit sleepy last time I passed by, maybe we could give them a prod

[John McGuirk]

Late feedback entry. As always, thank you to scouts/skirmishers/FCs and all the Agony support and alumni. Special thanks to the TAM artists for giving me my first taste of role-specific support. File this under "what was done right:" Dedicated support and TLC for the ECM group. In a few prior roams I'd never had anything like that kind of support. It's always been acknowledged that we're supposed to fly differently (we are unique and special snowflakes), but without a lot of experience it was tough to know where fights were being set up etc, so I've generally just stuck with the gang. Caldak assigned some TAM artists which were always burning tacs for the ECM crew whenever we were setting up for a fight. Having zero tank and being a high-priority target, this was great and I believe it greatly expands the utility of ECM. Again, special thanks to our TAM artists who were tirelessly burning us tacs all night. In addition, I was surprised as Caldak kept track of us ECM and would give special orders as to where we were to warp to and hold as he was setting up for fights. Since he's already keeping track of multiple force elements, I realize this is extra workload. If nothing else it was extremely valuable to have insight into how the FC wants the ECM positioned in a fast-moving frigate gang. Again, it may be commonplace but I don't think I've heard anything like this amount of specialized instruction in any of the other classes/roams. Edit: I forgot how disappointing this roam was in terms of drumming up a fight. So double thanks to the scouts hanging in there only to watch fun fights vaporize one after the other. Ditto for the FC. Nobody has anything to apologize for. Just a little story so you know at least someone had fun: Arriving at the suicide fight at a tac, all I could see was a wall of red flashing 'canes on my overview. Wait a sec, a few Blackbirds showed up. I had my targets. Getting my little phonebooth-fighting Kitsune into targeting range for both was a challenge, but once there I think I lasted a few minutes (as I distinctly remember jams falling off and reapplying) before someone noticed me and decided to send something my way. I can't say I had them permajammed, but I certainly had to have been annoying. I got out at 20% armor and heard that it was a lost cause on comms, so I decided to try to limp home. Looked at dotlan and realized we were trapped just as someone was saying they were camping one of the bottleneck systems. Heck with that, I bounced around for 15 minutes listening to the class recover and then logged off in a mostly-empty system. Wound up making it back to Stacmon the next day. I'd call it my lucky hull except it got vaporized in a Holy Hand Grenade two weeks later on the Wolfpacks roam. All in all, it was loads of fun being in a no-win situation and seeing how much damage I could do and still escape. Thanks to shamfor and TEST. From a learning perspective, I'd be interested to hear about the fight from the TEST Blackbird pilots' point of view, but I don't remember their names.