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[Azual]

So you boys and girls want to do Wolfpacks?
mmm I got a RDO comming up. Watch the space.

iirc Skrewed is planning to run one in November. He's also made a new syllabus for it, so I'd have a word with him first. Maybe you guys can run one together?

[Mangala Solaris]

Id attend thats for sure.

[duclas]

Yes sir! Please.

[Malice]

I'd be interested.

[Challenger70]

I was in the basic roam today as Alumnus and someone mentioned the possibility of a Tengu of mine filling jam duty on a HAC roam. Would this be something worth pursuing? Any reccomended fittings/subsystem config i should save for?

[Loash]

Hmmm, just finished HAC 5 (all races, yes I still haven't trained for BS yet)...what good timing

However, not having done Advanced yet and being so PVP rusty I'm starting to get lip from Minni's, could count against me

[raubrey]

Even if it is not a 101 class, as soon as I complete Wolfpacks/Advanced I'd love to tag along with my Amarr alt if you're considering longterm interest -- otherwise I'm about 3 weeks to one with a good fit.

Advanced Class Objective: (Threat Assessment: Stargate=0 put away the webifier, damn progressive lenses) -- get cracking on more classes mkay? (pleeez)

EDIT: P.S. Will add you to every conceivable new media format to not miss Wolfpacks announcement. Emergency contact # available on request too.

[Foxx]

You can count me in.

[Zorbolt]

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I've been considering running an alumni gang lately. It would be Armor HACs. This means that people would have to bring ships that fit with the theme (namely Guardians, Zealots, Ishtars, Fleet Stabbers, or T3 cruisers), with very specific fits (which would be provided by Agony). It would not be the typical "run around in a bunch of cheap ships and go out in a blaze of glory" but rather would be more like a typical Agony fleet. The idea would be to find similar sized gangs and beat them.

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Any chance you could post some of the fits so we can check skills/training based on the assumption/hope 8) that this is a go.

Tks

[Alenia Calentas]

Here's a Zealot fit to get you started. You may need to hardwire for power grid: [blockquote][Zealot, Armor HAC] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Internal Force Field Array I Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II BZ-5 Neutralizing Spatial Destabilizer ECM Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption 10MN Afterburner II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I [/blockquote]

[Aelana Anais]

Do you have a good fleet stabber fit?

[Granger]

Try this: [sp][Stabber Fleet Issue, Armor HACs] Overdrive Injector System II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Internal Force Field Array I Faint Warp Disruptor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 10MN MicroWarpdrive I 10MN Afterburner II Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I Warrior II x2 Valkyrie II x3[/sp]

[Aelana Anais]

Try this:

[sp][Stabber Fleet Issue, Armor HACs]
Overdrive Injector System II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Internal Force Field Array I

Faint Warp Disruptor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
10MN MicroWarpdrive I
10MN Afterburner II

Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I


Warrior II x2
Valkyrie II x3[/sp]

Thanks! I just need to finish training up the t2 autocannons (which are on my list right after I finish t2 torps in a few days) and I will be good to go

[AkJon Ferguson]

No damage mods on a PVP fit on a DPS ship makes baby Jesus cry.

[Bamar]

No damage mods on a PVP fit on a DPS ship makes baby Jesus cry.

Fleet stabbers in AHAC gangs are not dps ships, they're tackle.

[AkJon Ferguson]

No damage mods on a PVP fit on a DPS ship makes baby Jesus cry.

Fleet stabbers in AHAC gangs are not dps ships, they're tackle.

I see, said the blind man.

[DaDutchDude]

The key and central concept of AHACs is survivability. The point is to be able to stay on grid under heavy fire and outtank all incoming damage by a mix of signature / speed tanking combined with superior remote repair ability, greatly enhanced by command bonuses (skirmish for signature and speed, armor for resists and remote repair). This can then be further enhanced with drugs that reduce signature radius (X-Instinct). If your ship doesn't have 500m/s+ speed with AB on, a < 150m sig, +70% resists and a 8000k+ raw HP armor buffer (all without gang bonuses), your ship won't be survivable enough and will become the weakest link in the chain. Only after these criteria have been fulfilled should you be thinking about fitting non-tanking mods in the lows.

You'll basically want these ship types:
* Command ships (preferably T3 because they give higher bonus)
* Legion / Damnation (for armor)
* Loki / Claymore (for skirmish)
* (optional) Proteus / Eos (for ewar bonus) * Logistics: It is VITAL to have a good critical mass of these
* Guardian: this is the back bone of your AHAC fleet
* Oneiros: this really is a poor choice, probably best to bring something else * DPS ships: The thing you want for your DPS ships is range flexibility. Because of the lack of having a MWD, you will often not be able to dictate range. For that reason (and others), it's important to be able to have range flexibility and hit out to medium (20 - 40km) range.
* Zealots: really the best DPS ship out there for this gang
* Ishtar: good second choice DPS ship
* Legion: Best T3 damage ship
* Tackle:
* Armor HICs
* Devoter
* Phobos * Dictors (any will do really, don't expect to survive based on remote reps)
* (optional) Heavy Tacklers: these will be dual-prop fit with scram to tackle the fast but important stuff
* Fleet Stabber
* Vagabond * (optional) Long range tackle / web: These ships can be super useful. The problem is that the T2 ships are usually too soft for this gang and the T3 quite expensive.
* Proteus with long range point / scram subsystem
* Loki with web subsystem
* Lachesis: kinda too soft for this gang type, will often not survive
* Rapier: kinda too soft for this gang type, will often not survive * (optional) Fleet inties: quite often these will not be used as much as primary tackle, but more for warp ins / on grid mini-warps, etc.[/list] * Support
* Bombers: this sometimes gets overlooked, but you really want to have bombers to be able to clear off drone swarms, but they can also be useful with scouting, warp ins and DPS. You need to select one damage type, and for this gang, it's usually Shrapnel, because the resist for explosive on T2 Amarr ship is very high for it while it usually hurts most of your opponents very well.
* Hound: this is the preferred bomber because of the bonus for Shrapnel bombs
* any other bomber: bring Shrapnel bombs though. * CovOps: you always want at least one but preferable more covops for warpins and scouting.
* (optional) ewar support: this gang doesn't rely on it, but it can be useful to have some added ewar support, especially if a pilot cannot fly one of the more useful ships
[/list] [/list] I think that is about it. Some people might see some ships more mandatory and others more optional, and some want more of this type and less of that type, it also kind of depends on FC preference. I'll leave it up to Bamar to tell you guys that I'm completely wrong of course.

Edit: Also, I might come out and play

[Dior Saursi]

Edit: Also, I might come out and play

+1

[bcg]

would definitly go, but would take a while to get into anything amarr/minmatar. like 50 days of training for zealot , but if it looks like the roam would be about that far away i'd start the training now. so when(ish) would the roam be? what would a fit for an ishtar be?

[Melissa Blick]

Interested. I cannot fly armor hac's right now, mostly minmatar/caldari/shield focused. However, going by DaDutchDude's post, I could bring a hound or cheetah.

[D'Fenixus]

interested

[Mohawk]

* Bombers: this sometimes gets overlooked, but you really want to have bombers to be able to clear off drone swarms, but they can also be useful with scouting, warp ins and DPS. You need to select one damage type, and for this gang, it's usually Shrapnel, because the resist for explosive on T2 Amarr ship is very high for it while it usually hurts most of your opponents very well.
* Hound: this is the preferred bomber because of the bonus for Shrapnel bombs
* any other bomber: bring Shrapnel bombs though. * CovOps: you always want at least one but preferable more covops for warpins and scouting.

Can not fly AHAC, but a Hound I can. If there a go, I'm in

[Trorm]

I would go it is always a good time with agony no matter what type of fleet it is

[AkJon Ferguson]

Would a Cynabal fit in on this (or some other) roam? I realize that Cynabals shield tank (at least the builds I've seen) but if flown well might one survive anyway (in spite of no logistics support)?

[Bamar]

Would a Cynabal fit in on this (or some other) roam? I realize that Cynabals shield tank (at least the builds I've seen) but if flown well might one survive anyway (in spite of no logistics support)?

No, Cynabal does not really fit with AHACs. Tackle is better done by things like Fleet Stabbers and Lokis.