July Basic Class(es) feedback thread
#1
Posted 03 July 2010 - 09:13 PM
"Think of agony as a vine: quick to laydown some roots for nutrients, fairly resilient, but only truly thrive when there's nearby plants to strangle. " - Gizznit
BASIC - 1107091800
#2
Posted 03 July 2010 - 11:07 PM
I had to leave the roam a bit early due to RL aggro (saw spousal combat scanner probes on my D-scan, warped out of EVE . However, while Caldak seems very knowledgeable, I occasionally had trouble understanding his accent. That's not a criticism, obviously, just noting what did make things difficult in a few occasions. It got more difficult when the scouts had lots of crosstalk over him.
The larger problems in the roam stemmed from the students, I think: not differentiating "align" from "warp" and "hold" from "j^mp". I know some of that was probably from nervous pilots having never been in nullsec or possibly even a fleet, but it did cause some operational problems. As simple as it sounds, some folks do need more explanation in the seminar about the difference between those things.
Also, at least twice we had confusion from secondary FCs giving orders that seemed not to mesh with the primary FCs orders (just before docking at the Freeport the second time in the roam, for example). My bad, apparently I keyed my mic a few times. Subsequently, I changed the PTT key to CTRL+ALT to avoid future recurrences.
And students: when they say artillery is preferably to ACs, they mean it!!! Targets melt FAST and you will likely not get a shot off if you're trying to burn into range first.
I did enjoy it, considered it well worth my time and ISK, and hope to attend future BASIC roams and advanced classes, however.
#3
Posted 04 July 2010 - 01:15 AM
... SkrewedUp did a good job with the instruction besides occasionally getting things confused like sig radius vs explosion radius. That can happen to everyone, especially after a long day, and I don't think it detracted in any significant way from the actual seminar.
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There's nothing quite like being way too distracted by RL events, then getting in a class and thinking, "this isn't going too well", then watching it get worse. People not being able to connect to vent and the repeated disconnects added to the distraction. It certainly wasn't my A game. I really like the weeknight classes too. You all were a good class though and really seemed to pick things up well. I also really appreciated all the Agony guys that filled in spur of the moment and helped handle things.
#4
Posted 04 July 2010 - 03:31 AM
Rivellina - Test170119865539(RIV10)
BASIC-20100701
WOLFPACKS-20131230
#5
Posted 04 July 2010 - 03:38 AM
#6
Posted 04 July 2010 - 04:01 AM
Clearly presented lecture and an epic battle to top off the roam - serious fun. Thanks for everything!
Though bubbles were not covered explicitly in class, seeing the Agony members deploy them first-hand taught us a lot about their use in controlling battlefields, predicting an enemy's movements, and laying traps. One thing that might be pretty helpful for the next roam is a post-battle debrief to discuss what both the class did and what the enemy did at the important engagements. A lot gets picked up on the fly, but a summary would help reinforce the lessons learned.
Any quibbles, however, are minor. An excellent class all around.
#7
Posted 04 July 2010 - 04:06 AM
#8
Posted 04 July 2010 - 05:41 AM
#9
Posted 04 July 2010 - 05:42 AM
#10
Posted 04 July 2010 - 05:49 AM
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#11
Posted 04 July 2010 - 06:11 AM
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#12
Posted 04 July 2010 - 06:26 AM
#13
Posted 04 July 2010 - 06:35 AM
#14
Posted 04 July 2010 - 06:57 AM
#15
Posted 04 July 2010 - 07:42 AM
The other thing is that a dcu2 is much better than a signal distortion amp. You survive a lot longer to actually jam stuff. Pesets mentioned that a 200mm plate is even better, but then I'd have to swap missiles for rockets to fit powergrid, and that causes it's own problems (range, speed and align time).
Fit rockets, load defenders - they hit out to normal missile range even in a rocket launcher - your DPS is immaterial, your jamming isn't! The defenders will work well against heavy missile boats like Drakes. Stay aligned and speed/align time are not a factor.
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#16
Posted 04 July 2010 - 11:28 AM
#17
Posted 04 July 2010 - 12:33 PM
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#18
Posted 04 July 2010 - 01:07 PM
#19
Posted 04 July 2010 - 02:20 PM
Caldak was a great FC although with a tricky accent (is he french or something? )
Mongolian
Bazman: I anticipate we will have a number of people who are rubbish at battlecruisers/life
#20
Posted 04 July 2010 - 02:49 PM
Alumni
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#21
Posted 04 July 2010 - 03:48 PM
Caldak was a great FC although with a tricky accent (is he french or something? )
Lol. Australian.
Local dropped by one
#22
Posted 04 July 2010 - 04:23 PM
Was an epic roam, even more so than usual. Thanks for everyone in Agony who's working on these classes and roams.
My only concern is that squads were sometimes used as self-sufficient groups even though they were basically random. Especially goes for the alumni squad, generally used as bait/initial tackle - which kinda calls for everyone having tackle (and maybe a bit of a tank), but i'm not sure all alumni had a chance to realize that's going to be their role and fit accordingly. I also don't think we ever did any ewar balancing, but that's probably less of an issue given our numbers (and in fact would be a royal pain and take forever with 80+ people).
EWAR balancing is there to show how things should be done on roams. On basic you got so much that co-ordinating it in real-time isn't that feasible.
Re squads : there's an AAR report that Caldak has done. The point of AARs is to get feedback as to what you feel could be done better, what mistakes there were, etc.
Go over here and comment Pesets. Caldak likes feedback and the thing about corp fleets is that they know each other and as such are sometimes blind to issues. Nobody is going to moan at you if you point out stuff you feel went wrong.
When I was in Agony, internal AARs could be pretty brutal. That's the point of them though - doesn't matter who you are on the gang, you have a PERSONAL view of it. Scouts see the failure cascades happening early for example, FC might only see the full horror of whats going on a few minutes later.
You are alumni - go put your version of AAR. Its no less valid than Caldak's AAR but you have no real-time intel and few resources compared to him. I know when I put criticisms to Caldak about his class roams then he was quite happy to listen, even when I was talking total nonsense !lol
tl;dr CONTRIBUTE TO AARs. Don't put fanboi stuff in them but don't make it insipid. If you genuinely think stuff could be done better or have a "Plan B" then post it. That's what they are for, kudos to Caldak for doing it outside corp.
MORAL, adj. Conforming to a local and mutable standard of right. Having the quality of general expediency.
#23
Posted 04 July 2010 - 05:06 PM
Lol. Australian.
Isn't he a South African who moved to Australia?
#24
Posted 04 July 2010 - 05:17 PM
Yep.
Lol. Australian.
Isn't he a South African who moved to Australia?
[20:58:13] CCP Unifex > loving the Tweed thing
#25
Posted 04 July 2010 - 06:01 PM
Yep.
Lol. Australian.
Isn't he a South African who moved to Australia?
I thought that was Fassin???
Local dropped by one