Breathtaking scale of POS exploit
#1
Posted 10 December 2008 - 11:26 PM
Wow my classes were so long ago the link stopped working. Look I took a bunch of them ok? It was a long time ago. Just trust me on it.
Radioactive cats have 18 half lives. (Unless in a box, in which case they have half a chance of having no half lives.)
#2
Posted 11 December 2008 - 12:39 AM
Anne Bonney, a notorious pirate in her own right, told her husband, Calico Jack Bonney, as he was captured by pirate hunters,
“if you'd have fought like a man you needn't hang like a dog”.
Done some class's
#3
Posted 11 December 2008 - 01:11 AM
If (and it's a big if) the scale of the exploit is as the guy on scrapheap claims, it's going to cause some serious problems for CCP. I'm glad I'm not one of the guys having to handle this one. There will be a lot of bans (and an inversely proportional load of rage quits) before this is through, and the consequences both short and long term will be 'interesting' at best.
Then again, I'm reluctant to believe it's anything like the scale suggested until some evidence is brought forward. It just seems a bit too ridiculous that it could be so widespread without leaking out.
#4
Posted 11 December 2008 - 03:54 PM
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#5
Posted 11 December 2008 - 05:09 PM
Scale: the guy over on scrapheap claims 2.5-3 trillion isk over 4 years. That's a couple billion a day. I'm a relative noob; how big is the EVE economy really? How much is traded/bought/blown up on a daily basis? 2B isk a day seems like it would be a drop in the bucket.
I agree, but I don't think they've just been selling the material on the market. You'd make much more profit by turning them into T2 components and then turning those into T2 ships and mods. So potentially we're looking at much less supply of T2 ships and T2 mods which will jack up the prices since the demand is the same. Well, who can say really. Only thing we know right now is everyone is scrambling to buy T2 ships/mods which is causing prices to skyrocket. Only time will tell what kind of impact it will have on the individual buyer.
Local dropped by one
#6
Posted 11 December 2008 - 06:02 PM
#7
Posted 11 December 2008 - 07:27 PM
Local dropped by one
#8
Posted 11 December 2008 - 07:52 PM
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#9
Posted 11 December 2008 - 08:02 PM
#10
Posted 11 December 2008 - 08:22 PM
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#11
Posted 11 December 2008 - 08:38 PM
Wow my classes were so long ago the link stopped working. Look I took a bunch of them ok? It was a long time ago. Just trust me on it.
Radioactive cats have 18 half lives. (Unless in a box, in which case they have half a chance of having no half lives.)
#12
Posted 12 December 2008 - 02:59 AM
Calling it Primary, so you don't have to.
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#13
Posted 12 December 2008 - 08:03 AM
#14
Posted 12 December 2008 - 09:26 AM
#15
Posted 12 December 2008 - 09:50 AM
That's true of course, but then the older alliances in the game got the TII blueprint licenses to print money before this particular exploit was started, or had any large scale effects. Even though the invention of invention made this a lot less of a disadvantage for newer alliances, it's been a long time coming for a fix to what was clearly a game major game-unbalancing mistake from CCP.The players that should be angry are the ones that belonged to failed alliances that were destroyed by alliances that used the exploit. You can buy a lot of nice shiny ships if you are able to print money(isk).
And while that's annoying if you're forming a new alliance, still it doesn't make the fun you get from the game less.
I don't think infrastructure costs is what makes alliance collapse. It's all down to morale, leadership and cohesion.
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#16
Posted 12 December 2008 - 10:44 AM
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#17
Posted 12 December 2008 - 10:46 AM
And while that's annoying if you're forming a new alliance, still it doesn't make the fun you get from the game less.
I don't think infrastructure costs is what makes alliance collapse. It's all down to morale, leadership and cohesion.
Exactly
#18
Posted 12 December 2008 - 11:28 AM
A good point well made. And CCP need to acknowledge that they screwed up and try to do something about it. And give us enough information on punishment to feel that justice has been done. To be honest I'm not sure what justice is, given it's hard to track where the money went. So just banning the accounts that are left holding the baby now doesn't make up for alliances that were cheating on a large scale, if there were any that were doing this knowingly.Well this exploit allowed some people to play the game for free (ISK for ETC) on easy mode with better ships than I can afford with casual mission running. That is not fair.
On the other hand, some people have been playing the game for free, and been able to afford to solo in Titans, while I struggle to pay for a T2 fit BS - clearly a bad thing. But I still had lots of fun flying my ships. And actually part of the fun of EVE is flying what you can only just afford. The risk of serious in-game consequences is what makes PVP fun. I've never got stressed flying a T1 fit Blackbird in a clone with no implants because the cost was around a million isk if I got podded, and that was one Serpentis BS rat.
Getting my first Scorpion (also my first ever T2 fit ship) trapped in a bubble as my fleet warped off and left me, was a touch more exciting. And surviving the experience made it all the better...
So it comes down to quite an interesting question. Are they having more fun because they can PVP in anything they like, with whatever implants they fancy, risk free. Or are you having more fun because you get the adrenaline pumping because you know that you shouldn't really be flying this ship yet, but it was so damned shiny sitting in your hangar that you just had to take it out for a spin...
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#19
Posted 12 December 2008 - 12:41 PM
So it comes down to quite an interesting question. Are they having more fun because they can PVP in anything they like, with whatever implants they fancy, risk free. Or are you having more fun because you get the adrenaline pumping because you know that you shouldn't really be flying this ship yet, but it was so damned shiny sitting in your hangar that you just had to take it out for a spin...
Depends on the personal preference, I guess.
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#20
Posted 12 December 2008 - 02:08 PM
That's true of course, but then the older alliances in the game got the TII blueprint licenses to print money before this particular exploit was started, or had any large scale effects. Even though the invention of invention made this a lot less of a disadvantage for newer alliances, it's been a long time coming for a fix to what was clearly a game major game-unbalancing mistake from CCP.
The players that should be angry are the ones that belonged to failed alliances that were destroyed by alliances that used the exploit. You can buy a lot of nice shiny ships if you are able to print money(isk).
And while that's annoying if you're forming a new alliance, still it doesn't make the fun you get from the game less.
I don't think infrastructure costs is what makes alliance collapse. It's all down to morale, leadership and cohesion.
I think it is a morale crusher when your alliance possibly lost its 0.0 space because it was just steamrolled by another alliance who used an exploit funded capital fleet.
And yes, I would put this exploit in the same category as the CCP employee who gave illegally obtained BPO's to a large alliance.. A license to print isk.
#21
Posted 12 December 2008 - 03:19 PM
But just on the "isk printing" side, cause the POS exploit is game mechanic and could have been changed, the BPO thingy was manmade which is harder to counter since that guy was probably atrusted employee.And yes, I would put this exploit in the same category as the CCP employee who gave illegally obtained BPO's to a large alliance.. A license to print isk.
Anyways we survived the BPO scandal and we'll survive the POS scandal aswell. Sure its hard and disencouraging for many who suffered from the steamrolling and whatnot but in a few months we will laugh about it and look forward to the next exploit/bug/scandal/whatever 8)
I've been playing this game a while now and I still like it and overall I think CCP is better than many other companies aswell as worse as others.
Like always it's take it or leave it, which doesn't mean that I don't expect CCP do develop better crisis management and communication strategies.
#22
Posted 14 December 2008 - 07:59 PM
#23
Posted 14 December 2008 - 09:01 PM
#24
Posted 14 December 2008 - 09:08 PM
T2 prices are rising, and imo, that is a great thing. I expected prices to be higher when I returned to EvE after my break, only to find faction and T2 even cheaper than in the old days. I think that the average price of T2 items will be higher in the future, compared to the last year or so. The initial panic buying seems to slow down, but the supply chain has yet to adapt. We'll see..
ISK sinks are great anyway, lets go make some
Fraile! Great to see you man! :amazed:
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#25
Posted 14 December 2008 - 09:14 PM
T2 prices are rising, and imo, that is a great thing. I expected prices to be higher when I returned to EvE after my break, only to find faction and T2 even cheaper than in the old days. I think that the average price of T2 items will be higher in the future, compared to the last year or so. The initial panic buying seems to slow down, but the supply chain has yet to adapt. We'll see..
ISK sinks are great anyway, lets go make some
Fraile! Great to see you man! :amazed:
Returned from the dead, or rather, returned from the banned..Captain Vampire is back from a 9 month banage. I'm not very active atm though, just flipping markets, I want to buy my brother a new character so we can start over again. I'll probably start pew pewing around Christmas or so, AFs in lowsec will be my first mountain to climb.
And yeah, I have a plan to survive without the nanos 8)