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[Niamh Aideron]

I originally posted this @ https://plus.google....037321668050870

and one of the comments was "Did you get in touch with them and let them know?"

 

Errr, I could have contacted your guys, I dunno, would that have been sensible ?

It's not like I would have said "Meet us at the sun for pewpew !!"

more like "piss off and find someone your own size :P"

 

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I take a bunch of low sp guys in Moas out for a roam around Syndicate. We set up a bubble camp in K-5 on the X-M gate and practice warping between gate - perch - bubble. 

Our X-M scout report Agony Deimos fleet coming our way so we go safe.
Agony arrive in system and deploy combat probes so we dock up.
Agony camp the station for 30 mins waiting for us to undock.

What a waste of time, there was no way I was going to undock our Moas into a Deimos fleet. We went afk, chilled on coms and did other stuff until Agony got bored and left.

If Agony want a fight, they should bring ships for an equal fight instead of lols in their fancy T2s. You dont need skill to fly a T2, just skill points

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Edited by Niamh Aideron, 10 April 2014 - 12:16 PM.

[Kaatchina]

I think you're missing part of the picture here. We wanted to leave, but circumstances wouldn't allow it for those 30 minutes.

 

Hint : it might have to do with that goonswarm pilot insisting that we head to 8v for "meats buffet and cocktails".

 

Next time we shall have that good fight in cheap cruisers.

[Kenda deLagrange]

We even said in local that we are not camping the station. And as Kaatchina pointed out, Goons had a 40 ship AHAC/T3 fleet in 8V, so we couldn't go home to 3KNK. I suggest you simply ask why we are still in system - chances are, we are not camping you guys in, we really hate station games!

[Cyber]

wow, if you didn't know what was happening you should have noticed that there was a goon pos bashing gang with a few inties on the gate.

there was also 2 groups in system, one was t1 cruiser gang and the other was mix of moa's and deimos.

even goons were in local asking everyone to warp to gate.

we do have basic class's which don't just help "low sp" pilots.

different route was needed and found which Agony then left, you were told that warping away from station was possible which it was.

 

there was 4 groups involved at the time Agony was just one of them.

nice for you to not mention your FULL composition

 

Edit: I got there first...

[Niamh Aideron]

Thanks for the replies :-)

 

Yes I did see stuff going on in local but we did not have any scouts in 8V so did not have accurate intel as to what was going on there and it's not like I am going to believe anything posted in local <.<

Also, it's true that we had a couple of higher sp guys, one of whom was triple boxing a Sythe, VNI and booster ship :showoff: but most of my fleet was low sp / new to null.

While I have a high respect for Agony I am not going to take a "we are not camping the station" in local as safe to undock :-P

 

Yes we knew that there was another Deimos gang in K-5, we were looking forward to joining in the firefight when you took them on, but our scouts did not call in any firefight, so missed opportunity.

 

I enjoy taking roams around Syndicate, although it seems to be mostly be running away from bigger gangs (Ishtars mainly), hopefully next time we bump into each other we can pewpew rather than station dance.

[Deran]

If in doubt, convo a fleet member and if they can't give you an answer, they'll know who to point you towards. If our gang had i) known your circumstances & ii) been able to, the likelihood is that they would have brought an appropriate response to your fleet.

[Mariner]

Sounds like we need to do an arranged gang fight in a nice quiet system?  We can pre-arrange ship size/numbers/etc if you like.

[Cyber]

not too sure if you know what "having respect is" but saying it and having it are different things... I'll show you the difference

 

[Solved] Why is Agony so boring - with reply of "oops my mistake"

 

also then on the google+ account, updating that too with "thanks to Cheradenine Harper for helping me out" along with explaining how you did not know the situation at hand.

 

Now that is something that I would call respect, some slight difference between that and passing the blame around to anyone else but your self, camping a main pipeline with no eyes in the systems beside it is most likely the biggest mistake.

If I remember that exact situation correctly, Of Sound Mind were the smallest fish, then another group (think was you guys), then Agony, then Goons.

Eve is full of the "there is always a bigger fish" situations.

I recommend get your guys into cheaper ships like destroyers and go for roam, at the end of the night and you guys are still alive go suicide your selves, this will actually improve your new players experience.

Ofc this is my opinion and not agony nor anyone else.

[Niamh Aideron]

I am a Reasonable person, so I have edited my G+ and forum titles to more accurately reflect the bigger picture :-)

 

You guys did camp us into station for 30 mins, you didn't have to but you did, it was boring.

Next time I will convo you guys and hopefully everyone can have a more fun time.

 

I was FCing SOUND so we were the "smallest fish" and that's OK, we learn to hit and run.

I FC destroyer fleets as well, depends on who is coming along and what ships they can fly, my fleets are about having fun roaming around in small cheap ships.

[Cyber]

now I see the situation better wasn't too sure which group you where part off.

was just FYI rather then do it, should ask for fights Agony honors them, also 1v1's too.

destroyers do have their moments

[Klytus]

Also you might have noticed that we were not targeting those of you who had peeked out of station after invuln was up.  It was simply a staging point for us to gather intel and decide our next move, as even the replies above do not fully elucidate the multi-way charlie foxtrot blobbery that was happening next door.  Also there were no less than eight tacklers plus bubblers straddling the K5/8V gate.

 

Another way to look at it might be that we did you a favor  ; if Goons got a sniff of you camping bubbles they might have brought a detachment over.  They would not have been as diplomatic...

 

tl;dr next time just ask.

[Old Toterra]

This brings back memories of when the maverick navy was camping us in while we shared the EZA station.... I will always remember us undocking a gang in the middle of their much larger oversized camp and warping off to hunt for easier targets, the local spam outrage from Maverick was wonderful as they failed to successfully grab a single agony ship ... lol.

[Sancho]

I like the fact that you posted your view here. It allows us an opportunity to respond and to show who we are and what we're about. We're not above playing station games but as far as I know, we don't camp stations. If we're hanging around a station it's usually because we're trying to elicit a response. But if you could listen in on our comms, 9 out of 10 times you'll hear our FC clearly state "we're not taking this fight on station" or "we're not playing station games today."

 

We welcome a comms in game. We'll give you a truthful response. Let us know that you're reshipping to come meet us. Or even just to ask why is it you guys are camping us in the system/station. Our own internal 'fly with honor' standards are pretty decent so you can be confident that our response will be fairly truthful (that is to say, we'll respond truthfully but limit useful intel about us). 

 

I speak for myself, as always. But this is who and what I believe we generally are (there may be those times we fail to hold up our own standards - just part of being human).

 

Sancho

[Othran]

So the tl;dr is :

 

Large goon gang in 8V-, smaller Agony gang, even smaller other gang. Agony can't go home, other smaller gang thinks its a camp?

 

If so then you aren't going to get a large (by Agony standards) Agony fleet camp you into station in npc space for any length of time.

 

Edit - to make this clearer, they'd want you in space (not on station) where some sort of fight could occur. Bloody hard to kill people who are docked mmm?

Edited by Othran, 10 April 2014 - 03:23 PM.

[Alistone Malikite]

Some tips:

 

1)  In order to camp people into a 0.0 station you need to have bubbles on the undock.  You can create a bookmark in the direction of the station undock such that you can instantly warp before being tackled.  The only way to prevent this is with a bubble (either an interdictor or a HIC).  Meaning if people aren't actively bubbling the station undock then they aren't camping you into station.

 

2)  Your eyes should be cloaky and they should remain in space even when your fleet docks up.

 

3)  Agony doesn't even like to engage on station; much less camp one.  We don't do it in our home system because it is a boring waste of time.  It also discourages people from visiting our local market.  We don't do it on other stations because it is a boring waste of time AND because our fleet is at a severe disadvantage when we can't see what ships our opponents are in; also our opponent in the station tend to have more ships available and can reship to counter whatever we have.

[Reverend Ellecon]

We had an appalling comp for camping with only 2 inties which were tied up with watching goon movements and no fast locking tackle. If you'd had an insta undock bm you could have got back into space easily enough. Generally we do not camp stations for all the reasons stated. I am sure we'll get a good fight between us soon enough though Niamh and we regularly fly gangs that would be more engagable for you. I look forward to having some good fights in the future.

 

On the subject of Agony classes they really are worth attending and I would be happy to pay for you to attend a basics and wolfpacks class if you'd like.

 

Hope to see you in local soon,

 

Rev.

[Granger]

You guys did camp us into station for 30 mins, you didn't have to but you did, it was boring.

No we didn't. We kept our fleet safe from the 40 man goon gang by staying close to the station. You were told you could undock and warp off if you wished to, but you opted not to.

[Audrey Koshka]

 

You guys did camp us into station for 30 mins, you didn't have to but you did, it was boring.

No we didn't. We kept our fleet safe from the 40 man goon gang by staying close to the station. You were told you could undock and warp off if you wished to, but you opted not to.

 

 

To be fair, not every corp values holding to your word as Agony does, so I can understand the distrust.

[Alistone Malikite]

To be fair, I think we (Agony) are being to defensive.

 

This is EVE.  Sometimes you "catch" people.  Sometimes people "catch" you.  Calling "blob" is something EVERYBODY DOES.  Just two nights ago I dual boxed as we took 4 cruisers and an assault frigate to catch and kill 2 hostile stabbers.  I said on comms I felt a little bad about the lopsided numbers and Deran kindly pointed out that when they engaged my jaguar they thought it was going to be 2 stabbers versus 1 jaguar.  They didn't seem to mind those 2:1 odds when they were in their favor.

 

It may have seemed that we were camping the station.  We clarified that we weren't and that we were doing the same thing on station that you were doing inside station:  Staying safe from a gang that could easily kill us.

 

This is EVE.

 

HTFU.

[Dybbuch]

[glepp]

I think he gets it now, guys.

[roigon]

What I took away from this thread: Agony camps defenceless eve pilots in station.

[Audrey Koshka]

What I took away from this thread: Agony camps defenceless eve pilots in station.

Those filthy blobbers, no honor

[Kaatchina]

[glepp]

 

What I took away from this thread: Agony camps defenceless eve pilots in station.

Those filthy blobbers, no honor

 

Must.

 

Restore.

 

Honor!