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#1 Gizznitt

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 12:58 AM

Most well-informed EvE players are familiar with the MWD-Cloak to warp trick.  It is used to avoid being tackled by a hostile as you enter a system.  The crux of the trick is you enter system, align to your warp destination, cloak (must be t2 cloak), and activate the MWD.  At the end of the MWD cycle, you decloak and spam warp.  When performed properly, it is very difficult to catch you, as you can cloak before they target you, and you enter warp before they can target you.  

 

With the release of MJD's, this trick got a new module to help with nullsec travel.  Employing a similar tactic as above, the MJD provided two major benefits over the MWD.  

 

1.)  You never had to decloak.  The MJD would auto-decloak you at the end of its cycle, shoot you forward 100 km's while maintaining alignment, and allow you then instantly warp to your destination.  Decloaking too early or too late is one of the most common ways to lose your ship when attempting the MWD-cloak trick, so not having to worry about this timing is a pretty major boon.  

 

2.)  The MJD was bubble proof.  Bubbles don't prevent the MJD from shooting your ship forward 100 km's, thereby allowing you to zoom out of hictor and dictor bubbles, which are generally responsible for the death of most MWD-cloak travel in nullsec.  

 

What is the stealth change?  MJD's now decloak you when activated, and prevent you from re-cloaking.  Since I've personally recommended the MJD-cloak trick to nullsec battleship pilots, I figured its appropriate to announce this technique no longer works.  

 

That is all.  


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#2 Alistone Malikite

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 02:48 AM

Most well-informed EvE players are familiar with the MJD-Cloak MWD-Cloak to warp trick.  

 

Just to clarify there was a little typo in the first sentence:

He meant MWD-Cloak trick that was the old school.  Had to be a T2 cloak for slightly better speed (it has less velocity penalty than the T1 prototype cloak) which allowed the MWD bonus * the cloak penalty to be greater than your base speed needed to warp.


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#3 Druur

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 03:59 AM

Just for the record: MWD+T1 Cloak can be done as well, and if the gate campers are slow on the uptake and/or drunk, you have a fighting chance. (And unlike the Webbing-Freighters post, I have plenty of experience in this aspect, including the situation of "T1-cloak, just an AB, and no clue" - I survived by a margin of 200 meters or so :-/ ). But if they're on the ball ... yeah, T2 cloak.

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#4 Sever Aldaria

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 06:35 AM

Does the MWD cloak insta warp trick still work?


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#5 Itkovian Beddict

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 07:13 AM

Does the MWD cloak insta warp trick still work?

 

I'm not sure why you'd think it wouldn't... this is just an MJD change.



#6 Gizznitt

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 02:39 PM

Does the MWD cloak insta warp trick still work?

 it does


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#7 Sever Aldaria

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 03:31 PM


Does the MWD cloak insta warp trick still work?


I'm not sure why you'd think it wouldn't... this is just an MJD change.

Because it was a stealth change. If MJDs were stealth changed and it was neither confirmed nor denied that MWDs experienced the same stealth change, then it warrants looking into was my thought.
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#8 Othran

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 03:45 PM

I think the thing here is that MJDs were never intended to be a "get out of bubble free" card but MWD/cloak are an essential part of covops and have been for a very long time.

 

MJDs were always meant to be a "strategic" sort of thing - you commit 9-10 secs in advance and barring a scram then the micro-jump is happening, even if it suddenly looks like a bad idea. They are a lot of fun in that role IME as very few people initially put scrams on BSs anyway.

 

Seems a reasonable change to me.


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#9 Sever Aldaria

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 04:07 PM

I think the thing here is that MJDs were never intended to be a "get out of bubble free" card but MWD/cloak are an essential part of covops and have been for a very long time.

MJDs were always meant to be a "strategic" sort of thing - you commit 9-10 secs in advance and barring a scram then the micro-jump is happening, even if it suddenly looks like a bad idea. They are a lot of fun in that role IME as very few people initially put scrams on BSs anyway.

Seems a reasonable change to me.


Oh. No I didn't mean mwd with a cov Ops cloak. I meant the mwd t1 cloak uncloak instawarp trick.
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#10 Gizznitt

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 04:14 PM

 

I think the thing here is that MJDs were never intended to be a "get out of bubble free" card but MWD/cloak are an essential part of covops and have been for a very long time.

MJDs were always meant to be a "strategic" sort of thing - you commit 9-10 secs in advance and barring a scram then the micro-jump is happening, even if it suddenly looks like a bad idea. They are a lot of fun in that role IME as very few people initially put scrams on BSs anyway.

Seems a reasonable change to me.


Oh. No I didn't mean mwd with a cov Ops cloak. I meant the mwd t1 cloak uncloak instawarp trick.

 

 

Usually you need to use a t2 cloak to make the trick work consistently.  That or you have to have impeccable timing.  


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#11 Gizznitt

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 04:17 PM

I think the thing here is that MJDs were never intended to be a "get out of bubble free" card but MWD/cloak are an essential part of covops and have been for a very long time.

 

MJDs were always meant to be a "strategic" sort of thing - you commit 9-10 secs in advance and barring a scram then the micro-jump is happening, even if it suddenly looks like a bad idea. They are a lot of fun in that role IME as very few people initially put scrams on BSs anyway.

 

Seems a reasonable change to me.

 

I have no doubt the MJD-Cloak trick was an "unintended" use of the module.  But that is completely irrelevant... Jet can mining, web to warp, MWD-to-warp, MWD-Cloak trick, and much more are all "unintended" uses of ingame mechanics.  That doesn't make them unacceptable, or in need of nerfing (necessarily).  

 

Truth is, I don't care about the change... I just wanted the stealth change to be announced, so people don't lose their ships employing a technique that no longer works.  


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#12 Othran

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 04:31 PM

All I meant was that mwd+cloak to escape a bubble was significantly more risky than mjd/cloak which wasn't right, given the ships concerned.

 

Not defending the stealth nature of it, but its not the first time, nor will it be the last time this happens.


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#13 Sever Aldaria

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 05:00 PM

At any rate. Thanks for the heads up
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#14 Druur

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Posted 02 November 2013 - 01:38 AM

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I have no doubt the MJD-Cloak trick was an "unintended" use of the module.  But that is completely irrelevant... Jet can mining, web to warp, MWD-to-warp, MWD-Cloak trick, and much more are all "unintended" uses of ingame mechanics.  That doesn't make them unacceptable, or in need of nerfing (necessarily).  
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No need to to put 'unintended' into quotes there - both jet can mining as well as web-to-warp were mentioned by CCP Soundwave under the "Wait. He just did what?" category in his FanFest Game Design presentation. And at least Soundwave loves such kind of outcomes.
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