[CLOSED] PVP-BOMBERS - July 26 - 1600 EVT
#101
Posted 26 July 2008 - 01:03 AM
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Posted 26 July 2008 - 01:46 AM
#103
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Posted 26 July 2008 - 10:55 AM
#105
Posted 26 July 2008 - 03:11 PM
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#106
Posted 26 July 2008 - 04:49 PM
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#107
Posted 26 July 2008 - 05:15 PM
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#108
Posted 26 July 2008 - 05:41 PM
Do you think I could figure out Eve Time versus my local time?
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#109
Posted 26 July 2008 - 09:15 PM
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#110
Posted 26 July 2008 - 09:17 PM
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#111
Posted 27 July 2008 - 12:06 AM
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#112
Posted 27 July 2008 - 01:06 AM
Thanks Myrtha. It was supposed to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek as I know damn well the time difference but didn't put two and two together...that's what happens when you're busy wrangling a 1 year old.
Do you think I could figure out Eve Time versus my local time?
There are quite some utilities out in the web, but I found this
http://www.timeandda...ck/meeting.html
to be the nicest and easiest to understand web form, as it does not overwhelm you with too much information, and if you are traveling, you can even see what time EVE is at your destination, while still seeing your home time zone.
Myrtha Avorenne
Due to the issues encountered on the Sisi server, I was able to catch up to the gang after all. Now where is that Broadsword kill?!
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#113
Posted 27 July 2008 - 07:01 AM
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#114
Posted 27 July 2008 - 11:55 AM
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#115
Posted 27 July 2008 - 01:02 PM
#116
Posted 27 July 2008 - 04:41 PM
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#117
Posted 27 July 2008 - 05:19 PM
Overall it was a blast. It was a bit disorganized but it was the first run of the class so some kinks are to be expected.
As far as the comments on the Agony pilots - well you just don't know do you? It's easy to stand on the outside and question others but until you actually know what happened, I'd strongly suggest keeping the negative assumptions to yourself.
Agony pilots recognized probes in the air (this one did anyway and I'm sure others did). I spent at least 15 minutes running from the prober in my Phobos (not intended to be part of the class; was simply hitching a ride to X-7 with the class) all the while avoiding the rush-out-decloak tactics the enemy was deploying at the gate within 5 km of my OTHER character in the class. I made the fatal mistake of warping back to an existing BM after making 10 or so new ones. That is MY fault; not a question of Agony Pilot's ability - so meet me in space if you got something to say about it :amazed:
While I would agree the course could have used some tightening up before public presentation, I don't think it's as gloom and doom as some made it out to be. It's a game FFS! People spend a LOT of RL time preparing so cut them some slack. Do it yourself if you can do a better job.
Yes, I do know. Not only have I flown with Agony gangs since Feb. 2007, but I have been in Agony * grins and points to 5 ribbons * I do not blame anyone for being probed out by Gobbins, but I do believe I tried to say that he is a bloody good prober.
I do remember hearing on vent "I don't not see any probes" followed by "Oh, fuck, there IS a phantom". Dunno who said it, as it was in the heat of the moment shortly after Bamar lost his ship.
I was in that bunch of stealthbombers evading on the gate and I know that it was problematic - and I do understand that you were dualboxing, which is always a problem. Don't think for a second that I am blaming you for losing your ship. I feel rotten about the fact that we were not there to help you and Bamar. Even suicidally, it would have felt better. But that is a call for the FC to make and I am not second-guessing that.
I do know that you are rather new to Agony, so are a lot of the others who were in that fleet. Maybe it is not a great idea to try to keep 30 stealthbombers cloaked while orbitting a gate? I don't know if anyone does that normally, but what I saw was that it wasn't working very well. People kept uncloaking, setting off others and suddenly there was 10 uncloaked out of 30. I am pretty sure it works in a smaller gang of SB pilots who are used to the tecnique. In fact I have been in Agony gangs of stealthbombers + interdictor where we managed to do that pretty well.
I know it is a game. I also know that RL fucks with all of us. But that does not make my critique less valid. Remember, this is feedback with the intention of helping you guys actually make the class better - and as Rells said, if you cannot say it in public, then... Well, I don't need to hide who I am and what I say. I stand by my words.
I am just saying that this class was not done with the grace, style and eloquence that I am used to associating with Agony. Something is wrong - don't shoot the messenger just because you don't like the message.
PS: As to doing it myself - well, I have taught Basic with Agony and I do teach my own alliance members.
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#118
Posted 27 July 2008 - 05:57 PM
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#119
Posted 27 July 2008 - 10:04 PM
And what I DIDN'T mention in my previous post is that your points were valid indeed (about the class presentation) but it felt a bit personal at times so I impulsively felt compelled to reply. I did hear you say on Vent that the enemy prober was good (not long before I landed on a handful of his gang mates he left at one of my spots)!
I did know you were in Agony previously but I didn't know you taught too. You obviously have more insight than I as to what it takes to teach so I remove any stink of personal attack in that regard
/me makes note of that Gobbins fella for future run-ins...
ps - As far as shooting the messenger, if they're not blue in my OV I'm mashin' my "F" keys!
No worries, Buddha, I only co-taught one class and XOed a couple. You were not around then, AFAIK. Teaching was the reason I joined Agony
Of course the remarks could/would sound personal to you (although not intended so) and I am glad you are defending your corp and your CEO. That's the way it should be. I am sorry about your loss, btw. It hurts to lose a new and shiny HIC.... my first only got one kill before I lost it to "pilot error" :sad:
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#120
Posted 28 July 2008 - 12:54 AM
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#121
Posted 28 July 2008 - 09:04 AM
I agree with some of Ecatherina points, tho not all of them.
I disagree on the one of helping a student that decloaked and then got killed by Tri nano gang.
With the situation that accured in 0-N there there where couple of choises to make:
1) Do not help and let the student die, 1 bomber lost.
2) Order to attack, with the enemy fleet composition and our firepower we could kill half of the hostile gang, maybe less and loose 50-70% of our fleet. I would be more than happy to take this fight, but we would not save the student anyway.
3) Order the student to recloak and align to a celestial object and then warp out if he get decloaked. This is what should be done in my opinion. Cloaked evasion is extreamly difficult with 20+ nano ships that try to decloak you.
While flying a stealth bomber you have to be on your guard all the time. You have to have the awareness what and how fast can get you killed. That requires experience.
This is a class that requires actualy a lot of focus and situational awareness. This is mostly learned in PVP Advanced, which i think should also be a requirement for PVP Bombers class. You, starting from wolfpacks and then through Advanced and Bombers class, cant just blindly follow orders anymore. We expect that you will also think on your own :! .
#122
Posted 28 July 2008 - 10:05 AM
Thank you Cath and everybody for your feedback.
I agree with some of Ecatherina points, tho not all of them.
I disagree on the one of helping a student that decloaked and then got killed by Tri nano gang.
With the situation that accured in 0-N there there where couple of choises to make:
1) Do not help and let the student die, 1 bomber lost.
2) Order to attack, with the enemy fleet composition and our firepower we could kill half of the hostile gang, maybe less and loose 50-70% of our fleet. I would be more than happy to take this fight, but we would not save the student anyway.
3) Order the student to recloak and align to a celestial object and then warp out if he get decloaked. This is what should be done in my opinion. Cloaked evasion is extreamly difficult with 20+ nano ships that try to decloak you.
While flying a stealth bomber you have to be on your guard all the time. You have to have the awareness what and how fast can get you killed. That requires experience.
This is a class that requires actualy a lot of focus and situational awareness. This is mostly learned in PVP Advanced, which i think should also be a requirement for PVP Bombers class. You, starting from wolfpacks and then through Advanced and Bombers class, cant just blindly follow orders anymore. We expect that you will also think on your own :! .
Matt, you misunderstand me. I am not second-guessing Rells decision for the group to remain cloaked and not help. I do think that someone should have put his/her stealthbomber in a safespot w. cloak on while morally and verbally on vent guiding Caldak back to the fleet with his secondary stealthbomber. I would have done it myself, if I had a safespot in the system - but it requires to be in a separate vent channel with Caldak to talk him through the process of getting back and it requires word from covert ops pilots in the nearby systems. Normally, according to my experience flying with Agony classes, this is done.
Btw, PVP Advanced is not a requirement for PVP Bombers.
Kath
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#123
Posted 28 July 2008 - 11:19 PM
I think Matt was stating that he feels Advanced SHOULD be a prerequisite; not that it already is. I would tend to agree.
This is mostly learned in PVP Advanced, which i think should also be a requirement for PVP Bombers class.
Btw, PVP Advanced is not a requirement for PVP Bombers.
Kath
Good feedback all!
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#124
Posted 30 July 2008 - 08:08 PM
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#125
Posted 01 August 2008 - 07:41 PM
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