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#1 Greygal

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 05:36 PM

We love feedback! Good, bad, or indifferent, let us know what you thought of the class yesterday and today's roam after it occurs! I'll edit this post with details on the roam later :) ------------- Our wonderful FC, Glepp, has posted a terrific After Action Report below that describes the fun and mayhem all enjoyed on the roam. Scroll down to read it, it's great!

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#2 Phatty McButterpants

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 07:46 PM

Yesterday was really good, I thought you presented extremely well.

#3 Phatty McButterpants

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 10:35 PM

Props to glepp, amazing FC. Very professional and efficient. Some great scouting too but names I can't remember beyond ToranBrades.

#4 Dan Egdald

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 11:57 PM

This was quite simply the most fun and the best day/two days I've had in EVE to date. Appeared on 10x as many KM's as I did in all my time at euni! The experience has really lit a fire under my ass with regards to what it is I want to 'do' in EVE, where defore I was never really sure. Will definately be making large effort to attend future classes with you guys. My sincerest thanks for all your efforts!

#5 Rublik Dust

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 11:57 PM

The class itself was very informative and helpful. The roam was tons of fun. Many of us got first killmails:)

#6 Karasuma Akane

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 12:26 AM

TEST got video of the clash in HED-GP.

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#7 Kyoto Tetsutaaka

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 12:39 AM

Wonderful class, excellent roam. Learned a lot about basic tactics and how to conduct yourself as part of a fleet. Thank you for all the help.

#8 Karl Timonen

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 01:36 PM

tl;dr version: Great class and roam! Recommended. Explanations were clear and concise during the theorical part and it covers lots of stuff in a relative short time. The roam was super smooth, never idle for too long (hint hint EUNI FC's :P). AU are definitely disciplined and very effective. EUNI (or any other corp) surely would benefit from the use of their fleet organization methods and comms doctrine. They have also lots of experience together though and it shows. Thanks guys.

#9 Hanuman

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 07:48 PM

Thank you Agony Unleashed for an outstanding class. Special thanks to Graygal, Instructor, Fleet Boss, and cat herder, from start to finish everything was smooth and professional. Also Thanks to FC Glepp and the Agony Unleashed crew, the roam was a wild ride of fun, you demonstrated amazing skills throughout. I will definitely be back for more roams. I am looking forward to attending more classes and would urge anyone thinking about taking the course to do so, you won't be disappointed. Thanks again.

#10 Aed Akiga

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 09:26 PM

The class was very informative and enjoyable. A lot of material covered and still trying to absorb everthing that was taught and demonstrated. The NullSec roam was also very enjoyable -- whelps and all. :lol: I'm still a little vague on how kill mails work. I never received one so I've not posted anything. During the fights I used the available EW modules and fired on several ships but had no idea, at the time, if I did any good or not. Checked EVE-Kill and was surprised to see my name listed with 8 kills (particpant) and 3 loses. Pilot Efficancy (whatever that is) was listed at 98.92%. :blink: I take no credit for the results. Obviously good teaching and support from AU. Thanks. :D

#11 Eomar

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 09:53 PM

I'm still a little vague on how kill mails work. I never received one so I've not posted anything.


Only the pilot who deals the killing blow receives a killmail, although the km lists every pilot who applied damage or offensive ewar to the target in that system.

#12 glepp

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 09:55 PM

So i wrote up an After Action Report (AAR) for your reading pleasure. It's rather long, but i felt like typing.

Thanks for coming along, people, a pleasure to FC for you.

Greygal did a wonderful job of setting up the fleet, and we had an excellent turnout of skrimishers, chasers, dictors and covops alts.

The fleet ended up numbering about 75 with about 12 or so from Agony, the rest were students in T1 frigs. Good distribution of EWAR, had 25-30 damps and tracks each, and 10-20 each of points, scrams and webs. Couple of Griffins as well.

We headed out from Berta after running over some manouver and warping excercises. Students performed admirably, and we were soon on our way out to null to get our hands blooded. Destination was set for Curse, and first blood was had in Litom where our skirmishers spotted a gang of four Harpys and four Scimitars. We sent in the baitsquad but only managed to catch a Harpy. As he was bouncing gate for a while before finally dying, we also got bombed by a Hound who found out the hard way that interceptors can point to 36km.
http://www.agony-unl..._related/94856/ was all we could bag.

I was glad we got those kills early, however few and small, as it's important to get the taste for killing early in a roam like this.

We moved on, and in RMOC, we bagged a couple of Sabres: http://www.agony-unl..._related/94841/ (the naga is from a later event, details will follow). We also grabbed an unfortunate coercer in K-Q and a Merlin in 8G-.

Not sated by these meager pickings, our bloodlust dictated we up our agression levels, and decided to take a challenging fight. While in 8G-, recon called a 20-man gang of AHACs next door in VOL. We sat up on the VOL gate, and they jumped into us. We prepared by getting griffins out to optimals, and making sure Tracks and Damps were ready. Damps were to go on Logis (three guardians), and with 25 damps all with scan res scripts, we figured they'd have a hard time locking stuff in time. They jumped into us, and the battle ensued. A Deimos was called primary, but dps was too slow and he managed to catch reps in 2/3rds armor. We switched to another, but by this time, we had lost enough that we got him only to 3/4 armor before reps landed. I was a bit surprised by our lack of damage, and killmail analysis shows that this is due to student ships mostly having short range guns fitted. Standard PVP Basic doctrine calls for long range guns (rails, Arties, Beams and missiles) to make target switching go faster without having to power into range. Glepp eventually got primaried, and after that, Greygal got the surviving few fleetmembers off and safe. http://www.agony-unl..._related/94816/

Moving the survivors back home, Greygal did an excellent job of getting people into noobships to provide something of a fighting force. This proved to be invaluable, when skirmishers managed to catch a Thrasher and Naga in RMOC: http://www.agony-unl..._related/94819/ (sabres from earlier).

We took a bio and reshipped in Berta and decided to head out again, looking for more ways to kill or be killed. This time, destination was set for HED-GP in Catch. HED-GP is traditionally a haven for fights, being the gateway from highsec to Catch, previously home of Against All Authorities (a large nullsec alliance). Previously because recently, the Honey Badger Coalition (Test Alliance Please Ignore, Pandemic Legion and friends) have kicked AAA out and moved in to HED as their main staging system. As TEST is still in the process of moving in, i figured we'd have a decent chance of getting a semi-disorganized response fleet, perhaps even a frigate brawl, as TEST is known for their newbie love.

So with high hopes, we set out for the badgers den.

Moving through lowsec, we ended up on the Doril gate in Sendaya, right next to a Red Alliance Naga. Here's a tip for aspiring newbies, when you're in lowsec on a gate, you're mostly safe from frigates due to the gate guns. In nullsec, however there are no such things, and said frigates will happily oblige in speeding you on your way home. http://www.agony-unl...l_detail/94838/

Next we ran into a Pure Madness. Oracle gang in Jamunda, and did our best to get a fight with them at point blank range. Oracles are a mainstay of Pure Madness, a very competent german small-gang alliance. They have Pulse Lasers that can hit out to 70km, and are much faster than we were. Having twenty-something scrams and equally many webs, i knew we would have a chance if we got the fight at zero. They were originally set up to catch and kite us on our in-gate, but warped off when we got into system. I assume they assumed we were MWD fit. We set up a dictor with a catch bubble on the gate, and tried to spook them to warp to it. Sadly for us, UMAD were too competent that night to fall for such an old trick. So we tipped our hats in local and went on our merry way.

Further down the road to HED, one of our very competent skirmishers, Itkovian Beddict, managed to get a point on one of two Darkside Cynabals in 9KOE. Darkside is one of the best small-gang pvp alliances in game, so this was no small feat. At least not surviving the tackle. ToranBrades, also an ex-unista came and backed up his point and together they held him long enough for Chrome Diopside to land an excellent scram with her Jaguar. Cynabals are kiting ships, that excel at killing frigates when they can burn at 4km/s, but when they stop, they die. Like so: http://www.agony-unl...l_detail/94838/

Then, we moved along to HED-GP, slavering for a fight. One of our covops alts got us a warpin on some Tier 3s camping the Keberz gate, but we botched the warpin angle and ended up next to a myrmidon instead. So we killed him, and then we proceeded to kill some other ships that were close. The Keberz gate was heavily bubbled and there were 200 or so TEST in local, so we had to move fast. While we were killing ships that were inside or landed in the bubble as we fought, our covops was probing down sniping Tier 3s sitting around the gate and providing warpins for our skirmishers who expertly got four ships tackled in warprange of the main fight. After killing what was close, we warped up and killed a Drake, and then moved on to a Naga. As we killed the Naga, TEST apparently had gotten hold of an FC and Theodoric Darkwind warped in a fleet of equal numbers to our own. They landed on an oracle, that would be our next kill, but we decided against it since they had an equal number of drakes to our frigates. We warped off to an offgrid bookmark (incidentally the only bookmark glepp has in HED-GP), and then proceeded to ask for recon on the outgate. This took something like ten seconds, which was much too slow as TEST apparently has taken some lessons from Pandemic Legion and already had probes out around the grid. Just as our 15 seconds of safety had passed, glepp hit the 'fleet warp'-button, and at the same instant, their fleet landed and bubbled us. I believe comms went something like "warping fleet... Ok, we're going to die now... Primary is D-E-F in a Stiletto (POINT, POINT, SCRAM, WEB, WEB, TRACK), secondary is K-A-L in a slasher (TRACK, SCRAM, WEB, DAMP), tertiary is Huginn.. glepp is jammed... glepp is down... Get out if you can, give them a GF in local before you get podded."
Battle report, student losses not displayed: http://www.agony-unl..._related/94860/

Amazingly we had about 10 surviving ships from that fight, and Greygal somehow managed to get them and some pods out to safety. The pods decided to self-destruct once safe, and the rest of the ships moved up into Providence, so our fleet could meet up with them after a quick bio.

Those who got podded quickly reshipped in Berta, emptied bladders, smoked cigarettes and refilled soft and hard drinks. Glepp was happily sipping at an Ardbeg "Lord of the Isles" he had lying around, smiling to himself at the mayhem we had caused.

Moving out, we went through lowsec towards Assah and the G-5 entrance to Providence while Greygal's contingent set up in 4B- on the 9-F gate. Scouts had reported a small gatecamp in 9-F on the G-5 gate, and we had a plan to bait them with Greygal's fleet. Unfortunately, the G-5 warp is 140 AU, so we needed to catch them in 9-F while we warped across. Seeing our mighty bait-fleet of ten frigates made them lose their courage, however, and they decided to POS up in 9-F.

Unperturbed, we carried on into providence. We killed an Enyo and a Rupture that were moving through the systems. While we were doing that, one of our free-roaming skirmishers called out: "Point on Rattlesnake off the KBP gate in XHQ". We were only three systems out, so we figured heck, why not? Alongside him was a Maelstrom and a vagabond, and our skirmishers expertly backed each other up and got tackle on all three. After the red mist had faded, we camped the gate to KBP a bit and bagged some other ships moving through or trying to bomb us:
http://www.agony-unl..._related/94888/

We then took a break to reship for a new dictor and get reps and a bio, and moved back to KBP-7. As we were moving around KBP chasing various targets, a small camp of a drake and vexor with friends was reported back in XHQ, so we moved in and grabbed them. Both decided to eject and as par with our fleets, first come first served, the ships were handed out to those quickest in saying they wanted them. We brought them back to highsec, and then killed a Hurricane. As we were killing him, Itkovian Beddict called tackle on a Noctis in Y9-MDG, but he ejected before we could kill him, so another free ship for a uni student.

After that, we had some smallish engagements with a thrasher and some stealth bombers before moving back to highsec. When everyone was docked we did about an hour of Q&A and then called it a night.

The roam lasted about 5 and a half hours, and saw the fleet welped only twice. I'm a little disappointed we couldn't find some more even Good Fights™, but one takes what one can get. Students performed admirably, comms discipline was exceptional, and we had few delays even though people were disconnecting left right and center. And I must once again express my deepfelt totally platonic love for XO Greygal, our scouts, skirmishers, dictor pilots and chaser tacklers who make these roams so much fun and easy to FC. Huge props also go out to Sambu Ballabumbu for stepping up to skirmish for us with his Stiletto. Balls of steel, man!

I had a blast, hope it was good for you too.





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#13 Aed Akiga

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 12:27 AM

Introduction to Agony [-ITA-]
October 2012

All of the kills and losses appear to be listed but some of the statistics may not be updated yet.

#14 AkJon Ferguson

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 03:12 AM

FWIW you mislinked the Cynabal kill.
[link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/index.php?/topic/9285-closed-pvp-basic-20-21-feb-1800/]BASIC-20100220[/link]
[link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/index.php?/topic/11350-open-pvp-avanced-hssr-2300-15th-advanced-2100-for-16th-17th-july/]ADVANCED HSSR -1807102100[/link]
[link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/index.php?/topic/11588-closed-pvp-wolfpacks-class-august-2829-1800/]WOLFPACKS-201008281800[/link]
[link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/index.php?/topic/12728-fullpvp-covops-nov-28-1800-venue-changeread/]COVOPS - 281101800[/link]
[link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/index.php?/topic/13477-closed-pvp-skirmish-prototype-class-29th-30th-january-1300/]SKIRMISH-20110129[/link]
[link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/index.php?/topic/13315-closed-pvp-flybys-february-12th-1800/]FLYBYS-20110212[/link]
[link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/index.php?/topic/16195-closed-stealth-bombers-20111119-2000/]Stealth Bombers 20111119[/link]
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#15 Tannat Skor

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 04:54 PM

great class and practical. thank you! will certainly try to attend more classes in the future. gl

#16 Ozelot

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 05:49 PM

I think the class was horrible. It not only played on the weak minds of the participants it also lured us all into the dark corners of human emotion that hides our joy over others missfortune. Finding pleasure in destroying other peoples hard earned property is something that we should all be ashamed of and especially the leaders of the class and the roam should know better then to lure us innocent beginners into these treachorous waters. After seeing what these dark corners of the mind hides, I can never go back. I must continue my path futher down into the abyss to fully explore what is hidden down there. Maybe in the end I can save some souls, but before that I have to fully let myself become that which I must avoid being. I have to blow ships up to find which can be saved and which are too fallen to be saved. However I ask you to seize this "educational" part to other innocent souls before it is too late and all of them fall into the same pit! Save the innocent! On a more serious note. The class was great. I learned a trick or two about bookmarking which I'm certain will save my ship later on. (It actually already has when I earlier today got "ambushed" when the 1v1 I was offered got betrayed and he warped in corp mates) The roam was a pure blast and it was extremly educational with the open coms and hear how the FC and skirmishers worked together. Especially with the minimisation of unnecessary information and also seeing the free role the skirmishers had. On the down side, this class made me keep roaming in my frigate and picking fights where I could find them. And I'm having a blast. I just have to remember the different ROE's when I rejoin the Uni. :blink: /Oze

#17 Deban Huren

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 05:56 PM

Excellent class, great roam, best FC and scouts, marvellous explosions. Conventional wisdom in EVE is that so few women play the game because there is too much math and the game is too aggressive, so it was great fun having a bunch of male care-bears from the Uni (mostly with female characters of course) being turned into blood thirsty killers and taught about angular velocity by Greygal :P

#18 Johann west

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 09:24 PM

A very informative class and a really fun roam which was followed by a Q&A that lasted as long as students still had questions. There is nothing about the whole experience that I did enjoy (except perhaps the client issues I kept having!). You guys are obviously very good at what you do. I was surprised at what a fleet of T1 frigs can do when well lead by Glepp as FC, plus the support of the rest of the Agony team that we ran with. Much thanks to all of you ^_^. I've got to say that the roam blew my mind a bit. I don't know how the FC keeps a handle on all that's going on out there, whether it be moving the fleet about to engage targets or calling primaries on the field of battle. Very impressive. I'm chuffed to now be considered Alumni and look forward to rolling with you guys again in the future. All the best, Johann

#19 Almighty Moe

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 02:31 PM

I think it's true that no matter how long you are in Eve, this class gives so much to every student. I have been on several Uni roams in the past, with some excellent FCs, etc, but the level of comraderie here seems much stronger, more personal, which is felt in how the class was conducted. The thing that most impressed me was not only the expertise of the staff, but the general way the course was conducted, the "professionalism" as one can have in a game, and the feeling that there was no question that was too n00b. I have tremendous respect for Agony, their pilots, and especially those who give up their time to "give back to Eve", specifically the PvP-U staff. Thank you very much for not only sharing your knowledge, but being one of the most classy corps in doing it. o7 -AM