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#1 raubrey

raubrey

Posted 21 August 2012 - 09:18 AM

and I didn't know about it until today.

Dumb luck. I've wanted to join FW since I began EVE but never did because of its reputation. Now that you ladies and gents are in the game, the scenario looks much improved now.

Otherwise, I've been (mostly) out of game for awhile and fate landed me at a corp that I'm privileged to be in as of a few days ago...or I'd be clawing at the recruitment door, likely. The last time I saw some of you there was a pretty explosion ala R&K after a good fight we had that didn't make it to round two.

In any case, as an alumni and longtime fan, I wish you all many awesome fights and good times. And it will be fun following FW again.

P.S. Is it difficult to stay classy and not smack, or so I hear? Curious readers.... :D

#2 Sancho

Sancho

Posted 21 August 2012 - 05:18 PM

No, it's not difficult to stay away from smack talking on local. It's one of our strongest core values.
Fight them, sure.
Fight to win, always.
Just don't be dicks about it, as usual.

glepp

#3 raubrey

raubrey

Posted 21 August 2012 - 07:31 PM

No, it's not difficult to stay away from smack talking on local. It's one of our strongest core values.


Yes, it is one of Agony's admiral traits, too. I just wondered if there was some culture shock is all given that null is more quiet, among other things. The best part though is not feeding the trolls, I think.

#4 Jysella

Jysella

Posted 21 August 2012 - 07:37 PM

Null is only quiet when local is empty. People smack quite a bit out in 0.0 too.
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#5 Dior Saursi

Dior Saursi

Posted 21 August 2012 - 07:45 PM

Sometimes you want to respond to some smacktalk, but you hold back. You ask yourself, "Am I saying something to make myself feel better, or to actually communicate?"

#6 DaDutchDude

DaDutchDude

Posted 21 August 2012 - 09:37 PM

There's usually no point to respond to smack talk, at least for me anyway. It's not like smack talkers are actually open to a sensible discussion, and I don't get my thrills from being an asshole ... well, not verbally anyway, I just like to blow up their ships. Every once in a while I will respond with a tongue-in-cheek statement in local, but that's usually at the point that a situation is somehow comical and not because I'm upset. I have noticed that in FW so far it's harder for me to distinguish between the trolls and the people who are actually misguided enough to believe their own smack, but maybe that's because I expected FW to be less infected with political BS and propaganda then 0.0. Sadly, I guess I was wrong.
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#7 Kaeda Maxwell

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 06:50 AM

There's really only one good reason to smack, and that's to make people angry. Angry people make mistakes and/or might fight when they really shouldn't. Other then that smack is pretty useless.

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#8 ToranBrades

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 07:08 AM

While this "psyops" behaviour might work occasionally, I tend to refrain from even that version of local talk. It might be perceived as invitation to a smackfest, might be understood wrong, and/or actually lead a to a certain change in my own "emotional state".

Whenever I feel even slightly pissed by someone and sense a remote urge to post something, pondering how to word it - I just take the emergency brake and think "No. If you need to wonder how to word it, rather don't post it at all."

Just my personal rule, but served me well so far.

#9 AkJon Ferguson

AkJon Ferguson

Posted 22 August 2012 - 07:14 AM

What Kaeda said. If you're smacking because you're angry, you're not smacking, you're crying. Great blog btw, Kaeda. I especially enjoyed your last entry.
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#10 raubrey

raubrey

Posted 22 August 2012 - 01:30 PM

Good points indeed and good approaches to handling the situation.

I'm not prone to smacking (much) except as a strategy (e.g., when the FC says too), but some of the light-heartted stuff can be entertaining.
Which is probably a good thing, as the corp I joined is at least as strict, if not more, about interacting with locals. I'm a personable gal so that will be a bit tougher. :P

I have noticed that in FW so far it's harder for me to distinguish between the trolls and the people who are actually misguided enough to believe their own smack, but maybe that's because I expected FW to be less infected with political BS and propaganda then 0.0. Sadly, I guess I was wrong.


Yeah, the people that believe their own smack are "interesting." I think that is a distinguishable characteristic of Empire smack more often then not. "Test level," smack, if you will, I don't even qualify as smack most the time because of its randomness. Sov wars etc.being a bit different, but in general.

I guess I thought of FW was more akin to rooting for a sports team -- and then there is the role-playing/militaristic element, -- which I am not sure how common that is anymore. In that light, I had hoped some of the banter would be improved -- from an entertainment perspective, if not otherwise.

You get some fun people in low-sec but with these kinda numbers, I guess it's like status quo Amarr on a good day. Too bad about the politics and stuff. I had heard that, it is unfortunate.

#11 glepp

glepp

Posted 22 August 2012 - 02:18 PM

I must admit, i have once or twice emplyoed Psyops "smack" to goad an opponent into fighting us. It's worked very very well. But I've always felt bad afterwards.



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#12 Sancho

Sancho

Posted 22 August 2012 - 02:19 PM

But I've always felt bad afterwards.

The Catholic way of life...
Fight them, sure.
Fight to win, always.
Just don't be dicks about it, as usual.

glepp

#13 glepp

glepp

Posted 22 August 2012 - 02:22 PM


But I've always felt bad afterwards.

The Catholic way of life...

Nah, protestant. I didn't hail mary or nothing. The Catholics confess their sins, do some repenetance and that's it.

I'm gonna pay for it in hell.



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#14 Aluchem

Aluchem

Posted 22 August 2012 - 03:42 PM



But I've always felt bad afterwards.

The Catholic way of life...

Nah, protestant. I didn't hail mary or nothing. The Catholics confess their sins, do some repenetance and that's it.

I'm gonna pay for it in hell.


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#15 Sancho

Sancho

Posted 22 August 2012 - 03:46 PM

Warning - potential derail. Funny as hell but derail nevertheless.
Fight them, sure.
Fight to win, always.
Just don't be dicks about it, as usual.

glepp

#16 Othran

Othran

Posted 22 August 2012 - 04:13 PM

Minnie/Amarr FW has always had worse smacktalk than anywhere else I've been in Eve. Way way worse. Consider yourselves fortunate that you're not in the npc FW corp channels, smack, grudges and arguments go on for YEARS in there :D
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