[HELP] Tell CSM to remove Self-Destruct while in combat
#1
Posted 10 February 2012 - 01:11 PM
https://forums.eveon...270&find=unread
so tired of ships self-destructing under duress, cast your vote by posting on that forum.
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#2
Posted 10 February 2012 - 01:35 PM
#3
Posted 10 February 2012 - 01:46 PM
Back 5 minutes, already causing trouble
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Posted 10 February 2012 - 02:38 PM
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#5
Posted 10 February 2012 - 02:51 PM
+2'd - can do another 7 if that would help the latterIf I vote x times will you come home?
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Posted 10 February 2012 - 03:50 PM
#7
Posted 10 February 2012 - 03:51 PM
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#8
Posted 10 February 2012 - 04:01 PM
How do you properly +1 in the assembly hall these days since they changed the forums? Do you have to click "like" or just post +1?
Go play in traffic Ryn...Why specifically Copter? Shouldn't blowing up your ship be a valid result from combat? Either way the ship is 'removed' from the game. I don't buy the 'epeen' argument much, so I am just wondering what basis you are raising this from?
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#9
Posted 10 February 2012 - 04:25 PM
I can see an argument for denying people loot by self-destructing but it shouldn't be a way to protect your killboard.
I don't agree with that at all. There is no reason in my opinion that a ship blowing up from a self destruct shouldn't have exactly the same loot dropping mechanics as a ship destroyed any other way.
@ Silas: I would but they won't let me out of my cubicle for hours yet...
#10
Posted 10 February 2012 - 05:06 PM
epeen? Me either, however, to an extent, killmails register accomplishments, from trivial to nice capital kills. Nice killmails also bond corp members and provide some history for the corp to reflect on if needed. Nice killmails also allow small pvp corps to recruit. Yes, it matters that your killboard is decorated nicely with some juicy mails.Why specifically Copter? Shouldn't blowing up your ship be a valid result from combat? Either way the ship is 'removed' from the game. I don't buy the 'epeen' argument much, so I am just wondering what basis you are raising this from?
/end devil's advocate
Just this morning, I had a Thanny tackled, nicely bumped, bubbled, webbed. I put forth my time and effort to bring in the DPS get this kill. with 20% structure remaining the guy self-destructs. It is irritating and a waste of my time to not get a killmail from this. This has happened multiple times since I left Agony and frankly I'm tired of it. Call it epeen if you wish. Personally, I would like the killmail as a record of how well my corp worked together, totally outclassed in numbers and ship types.
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#11
Posted 10 February 2012 - 05:12 PM
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Posted 10 February 2012 - 05:24 PM
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#16
Posted 10 February 2012 - 06:00 PM
#17
Posted 10 February 2012 - 06:58 PM
As I said in the thread, there's a real danger that removing self destruct entirely would be useful as a very effective griefing tool (hold a player until downtime, nothing they can do).
However, I completely support generating killmails for self destruct.
Edit: oh and hai Copter! o/ Funny, we were just talking about how we missed you the other day
#18
Posted 10 February 2012 - 07:14 PM
Actually I think that griefing woud not work as long as you can eject from the ship. (pods should be able to self destruct) It also sort of adds to ransom possibilities. Pirates could hold you forcing you to eject from your ship.As I said in the thread, there's a real danger that removing self destruct entirely would be useful as a very effective griefing tool (hold a player until downtime, nothing they can do).
However, I completely support generating killmails for self destruct.
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#19
Posted 10 February 2012 - 07:48 PM
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#21
Posted 10 February 2012 - 08:38 PM
As I said in the thread, there's a real danger that removing self destruct entirely would be useful as a very effective griefing tool (hold a player until downtime, nothing they can do).
Petition under stuck, explain you are being harrassed and a GM will appear in local reasonably quickly.
I only know about this because I watched it happen in some high-sec hub, guy got scrammed, webbed and bumped off the station, held for about 30 minutes and then all the aggressors suddenly disappeared from local - and grid.
Not ideal but it works. I think 20-30 minutes is considered the maximum acceptable before its a EULA violation (harrassment).
Ryn, I consider self-destruct to destroy the loot perfectly acceptable. I don't think there should be any chance of drops. If you're engaged in sov warfare <spit> then denial of assets/isk is part of the game.
Personally I couldn't give a stuff about the killmail but IMHO that is the cause of the self-destruct problem - apart from the clueless muppets who lose caps in PVE and self-destruct to prevent the CEO seeing it.
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#22
Posted 10 February 2012 - 09:16 PM
Back 5 minutes, already causing trouble
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#23
Posted 10 February 2012 - 09:35 PM
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Posted 10 February 2012 - 09:59 PM
#25
Posted 10 February 2012 - 11:01 PM
I've always wondered what self-destruction has to do with other than your pod. Why would it even involve the ship? Pilot elects to self-destruct, timer counts down, ship ejects dead goo, pilot wakes up in clone vat.
As far as griefing goes...it's possible to grief in eve??? I thought that was just part of the game...
From an RP perspective, you have the sort of situation where destroying the ship is preferable to the enemy gaining valuable / sensitive cargo.
From a bloody minded perspective, it's about asset denial. I'd love if self destruct did splash damage. Especially if it had an emergency override on the timer They even have a pilot self-destruct his 'ranis as a last act of defiance and take out some drop ships in one of the books, so it's cannon too!
The problem is the dicks who do it for killmail denial / to avoid an embarassing lossmail. When we were rolling with NC (or was it NC.? I never worked it out), the FC of a capfleet ordered the cap pilots to self destruct specifically deny killmails. Happy to say that Agony cap pilots didn't comply and died gloriously on the field of battle. If you still get killmails for a self-destructed ship, that ends that problem.