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[Othran]

I think the alumni have drag rights anyway for the class channels but that's not really what you want.

We just need people to take a look at whisper mode/lists on Teamspeak. A random google has this tutorial on how to do it. Can use that easy enough for ECM or logis.

Re KM whoring, it happens in the best of corps so it'll happen here. Its not a big deal anyway, we're usually light on DPS. I recommend a hictor for the ultimate in KM whoring

For those of you unsure about trying some new role/ship then just do it. If you screw up then that's what happens, you'll know better next time. As long as you don't take the entire gang down with you then it isn't going to be an issue - yes you'll get a bit of a lecture from Caldak (as I did in MHC) but that's fine provided you learn something. If you do take the entire gang down then just say sorry, its not the end of the world.

The point I'm trying to make (and obviously failing to make) is that for most alumni there will come a point where the roam isn't enough, so there's plenty of churn over the months - some in, some out. We just need to be realistic about things - for example you might have a group of alumni who were good enough to fight anything (with batphone for dps) and then two months later you have people still getting used to TAMs/tacs/bubbles. That presents some nice challenges I think but it is something to bear in mind if you are expecting the group to get better and better....

On the last roam I recognised maybe 5 names from last year on the Provi roams/classes. People move on.

Edit - to Agony people, when did an on-grid orbiting inty become a TAM? I always thought of TAMs as more aggressive manuevers. The "TAM artists" we seem to be talking about here were warp-outs. Or am I delusional? No don't answer that last part

[AkJon Ferguson]

I'd say the amount of killmail whores is probably fairly low in agony roams if any at all really. Sure everyone would like to get kills, but that's just normal.

Dual-Sebo'd untanked Dramiels anyone?

Really?

A killmail whore is someone who activates a module to get on a killmail that they played no active (or a negligible) role in. Often they arrive late, or weren't a member of the gang responsible for the kill, or activate a module that has no 'legitimate' purpose in contributing to the kill (track disrupting a pod for instance,) or are piloting a horribly fit/cheap ship (like a noobship for instance.)

The reason people killmail whore is because neither the ISK destroyed variable (which is what people talk about when they talk about 'efficiency') nor the points variable (which affects your killboard ranking) take your individual contribution to the actual kill into account in any way. It doesn't matter if you were in the velator that did 0 damage or in the nyx that did 25 million damage, you get the same points and the same 'ISK destroyed' for being on the same killmail.

A killmail whore is not someone who fits his ship for a specific purpose (fast locking so that his gang can kill many things it otherwise couldn't) and overwhelmingly shows up at (or near) the TOP of his gangs' killmails.

If bringing well fit ships and getting your pretty mug near the top on most killmails makes you a killmail whore, please folks, we need more killmail whores on our roams. (And a different term for what is currently regarded as killmail whoring, perhaps killmail leeching.)

[Daedalus]

TS also screwed up, heard caldak say something about shooting me lol! First thought was oh no not me, second was, yeah go ahead and try it. Reminder to myself to reinstall TS client!

Also at one point your mic got stuck open and continued to broadcast while Caldak was taking recon and giving instructions so not sure if that is a problem with your mic or TS installation but it was quite a distraction.

Yes my mic got stuck as mentioned due to TS software, first time it happened and I do hope it don't happen again.
Me to found it really really distracting and embarrasing. If it never happend to you, you have no idea how it feels!

Facta

[Othran]

Yes my mic got stuck as mentioned due to TS software, first time it happened and I do hope it don't happen again.
Me to found it really really distracting and embarrasing. If it never happend to you, you have no idea how it feels!

Facta

You're not the first or the last so don't worry about it. Things had been slow. Best thing you can do at that point is kill the teamspeak client then restart.

[Smantis]

TS also screwed up, heard caldak say something about shooting me lol! First thought was oh no not me, second was, yeah go ahead and try it. Reminder to myself to reinstall TS client!

Also at one point your mic got stuck open and continued to broadcast while Caldak was taking recon and giving instructions so not sure if that is a problem with your mic or TS installation but it was quite a distraction.

Yes my mic got stuck as mentioned due to TS software, first time it happened and I do hope it don't happen again.
Me to found it really really distracting and embarrasing. If it never happend to you, you have no idea how it feels!

Facta

Yup for sure, it has happened to me many times. So I can sympathize with you

[AkJon Ferguson]

I still love you guys, but yes there's a ton to learn and do behind the curtain. Alumni roams have been my entire playtime for the past couple months, so I just grabbed the forum bait and applied.

Appreciate the kind words about the ECM but honestly the only things missing from the alumni stuff without me are a little enthusiasm and a lot of words. As a whole, the alumni are far more knowledgeable and experienced than me, and if you're interested in something, pick it up and run with it. I mean I did ECM because I liked it, and I learned as I went. I pretty much went out on a limb, out of my comfort zone trying to organize and lead (I'm not an organizer or leader), made mistakes, and just kept going. I mean look at how riled up I get AkJon . Here's a guy with probably thousands of hours of experience on me who characterized ECM as winbutton weenies. Then he comes out on a couple roams in Blackbirds, and has strong, constructive opinions about how ECM should be used. Not that it's any sort of puppetmaster thing, but I think overall that's good for a core of alumni people to be working together and improving like that. He may never fly ECM again, his opinion may not have changed, but the thoughtfulness and knowledge that is exchanged here gets propagated to the other alumni nonetheless, maybe even out to other corps. At a minimum, we got some good sig pics out of this (O'Kais donated mine, and Xol I have no idea where you got the bread one but it makes me grin).

On top of that, most of the stuff I did was close to useless...I think I tried to drum up ECM support and list pilots that were signing up for ECM, regurgitated a few things I knew about fitting and flying, and opened up some discussion. The WH scanning thing, who knows if it even gets used? I guess my recommendation is if you're interested in something, put in a little effort, try in some small way to make it work better/integrate better with the gang/whatever, and it'll generate discussion and the alumni will be better for it. Make mistakes, embrace them, learn from them, move on (and definitely laugh at yourself).

I wouldn't give up and just resign to having a pick-up-group that just wants to KM whore. Even though that's probably the reality, if you're interested in it being a better experience, go 'head and make it one.


Alright, /soapbox.

Quick edit: definitely keep working on the ECM organization. There is no right answer, but there's always room for improvement. There are pros and cons to everything, whether it's sensor booster or shield extender or fifth jam, how to distribute jams, target calling etc. it's all chaos, but if someone proposes something I'd say give it a fair shake. One of the roams Caldak pulled us aside and asked if ECM wanted a TS channel, at the time I hadn't put enough thought into exactly how to use it so I declined, but be aware that's an option. Brings a whole host of problems but that's what you guys are sorting out. It's likely to fail spectacularly the first time out but pay attention to why and it'll improve with feedback. Plus you have to deal with Caldak who speaks some sort of language based on riddles, as near as I can tell. On the flip side, you GET to deal with Caldak regularly, who is widely regarded as a top notch FC, and is willing to organize these things even with all the headaches. Plus you get Agony support with scouting, skirmishing, tackle, TAMs etc. Alumni roams are in my estimation a great environment to learn, try new roles, work well on a team, and blow stuff up while basically having the hardest parts of EVE "covered" for you. Not that it's some safari and you guys are KM tourists, but I have to imagine alumni are missing out on a lot of frustration due to FC/scout/Skirmish etc being inept. You can come along for pew or try to take it to the next level, it's a great environment to do it in.

Good post.

The enthusiasm you exhibited for ECM (and probing) and getting people excited about it was hardly 'close to useless.' It was invaluable.

People are going to resist fellow alumni stepping up and getting bossy unless they've explicitly been delegated that task by Agony (and even then if those people ignore feedback (including Agony feedback) completely.) I'd love to get a sign-up list for these fleets with roles/fits preassigned. I'd love to see a 5M ISK charge for oversubscribed slots and paid to subsidize those in undersubscribed slots. I don't share Othran's defeatist attitude that this group is doomed to mediocrity. If people bring good hulls with good fits and understand their roles we can hold our own with anybody.

[Othran]

I don't share Othran's defeatist attitude that this group is doomed to mediocrity. If people bring good hulls with good fits and understand their roles we can hold our own with anybody.

Its not a "defeatist attitude" - its a simple recognition that one "alumni roam" may bear no resemblance to the next simply because people on the roam don't have a clue what people like you and I are on about. Think about the first time you came back as alumni - you were just as clueless as when you were on PvP-Basics class. As was I. As was everyone.

I'm hoping that we can actually turn the "alumni roams" into something which pilots in Agony might tag along with for fun and gfs, rather than feel they have to turn up as support. For that to happen though, people have to do their bit. Simple as. Nobody has to do anything but you can see how that will go.....

[John McGuirk]

People are going to resist fellow alumni stepping up and getting bossy unless they've explicitly been delegated that task by Agony (and even then if those people ignore feedback (including Agony feedback) completely.) I'd love to get a sign-up list for these fleets with roles/fits preassigned. I'd love to see a 5M ISK charge for oversubscribed slots and paid to subsidize those in undersubscribed slots.

Thanks for the kind words. I was not so much trying to bemoan that all my efforts were for naught, I was more pointing out that in the absence of knowledge or experience, I just started doing stuff like hyping things, making maps, and making signup lists.

Not a bad idea to try to balance the fleet out with a little incentivization, though that would obviously be at the discretion of the FC or Agony. I would like to think that the self-selecting group of repeat alumni would recognize the value of good fleet composition and balance of their desire to fly certain roles with the desire to do what's best for the fleet. I realize there's going to be some transient factor, and some people won't have the skills to fly what's needed, or not have ships available at the jump-off points to do every role.

As far as delegation goes, no one designated me to be the ECM cheerleader. I think I screwed up the courage to ask Azual/Caldak via a wall-of-text PM if they would be open to me trying to organize ECM a little bit. I think I presented my case, the pros and cons, what could go wrong, etc in a huge essay. I think I got back "hit me up on TS when you on" from Caldak. I never did catch him about that, but over the weeks and months he's seemed open to it and I just tried to make it so that anything I was doing wasn't countermanding him or stepping on his toes at all.

I think it's a lot easier with ECM where it's a kind of special case where it's almost an independent support unit that's going to be useful for almost any fleet that he takes out. That is, some fleets may want 5% ECM, some 25%, but whatever was being planned (BASIC, WOLFPACKS, other themes) it was easy to just do the signups. Contrast that with a signup sheet that might change drastically as FCs change fleet types, etc. and it might get problematic.

I'd suggest if anyone's going to do anything, make it low-impact, make it flexible, and be ready for it to be thrown out at a moment's notice by Caldak. Don't expect it to be perfect, be open to feedback, etc. Be civil and don't be bossy. If people crap on your effort, smile and ask what you could do differently.

I'm sure I'll fly with you all again, and I'm sorry I kind of dropped off the face of the earth, but I'm loving it on the inside and you guys are far from helpless without me. I think I even posted the scanning format and maps for people. All it takes is for someone to throw that code in Notepad and post it whenever Alumni stuff is announced. Probably don't even need to update it as you go, people can figure it out from the thread signups. Boom, done.


Edit: just saw another alumni roam posted by Glepp. After a lot of careful thought and consultation, I've come up with a fairly complex fleet template for you guys to use for roles. Feel free to copy and paste, and if any of the terminology is confusing or it is too complex, let me know and I'll try to explain as best I can. List can be extended as needed.

[b][u]Dramiel Squad[/b][/u]
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[*]Dramiel - Pilot
[*]Dramiel - Pilot
[*]Dramiel - Pilot
[*]Dramiel - Pilot
[*]Dramiel - Pilot
[*]Dramiel - Pilot
[*]Dramiel - Pilot
[*]Dramiel - Pilot
[/list]

[AkJon Ferguson]

I'm hoping that we can actually turn the "alumni roams" into something which pilots in Agony might tag along with for fun and gfs, rather than feel they have to turn up as support.

I thought that was what the KISS Club was for <ducks out of the way>. (Trying to inject a little esprit de corps is hardly 'elitist' but that's not my call.)

I've always advocated for deciding ahead of time whether the roam is about killing or whether the roam is about exploding and simply disclosing that in the fleet ad (I think ganknight does something similar by using the decimal to indicate the degree of 'seriousness' of the roam.) And setting reasonable minimum expectations for people who want to join a roam that's about killing (good fits, faction ammo, etc.) I have nothing against comedy fleets (risk-free PVP) I just don't tend to sign up for them. (And it's not elitist to set minimal expectations when you can climb into a fully fit Blackbird for 10M ISK.)

[Metaloid]

I'd say the amount of killmail whores is probably fairly low in agony roams if any at all really. Sure everyone would like to get kills, but that's just normal.

Dual-Sebo'd untanked Dramiels anyone?

You forgot to ungroup the turrets

[Othran]

I'm hoping that we can actually turn the "alumni roams" into something which pilots in Agony might tag along with for fun and gfs, rather than feel they have to turn up as support.

I thought that was what the KISS Club was for <ducks out of the way>.

Well yes in a way it was as in people said they would come along once or twice a month. You do that anyway, so do I. The "club" part was the issue, nothing else.

Again I am simply pointing out that Alumni roams (or class roams with alumni tagging along) are not corp roams. You cannot guarantee a minimum turnout or "standard". I don't have a problem with that, I'm along to learn fleet stuff and the more variety the better.

[AkJon Ferguson]

If alumni roams where full of km whores all those drakes on the last fleet would have been floating bricks with no DPS and a sebo's fitted for good measure. Now I wasn't with the fleet, so perhaps they all were ^.^ But I don't particularly think that was the case.

My drake fit was a floating brick (virtually identical to this guy's fit,) but I still had 2 damage mods (and ~400 DPS (402+ drones with my skills.) out to ~70km) I figured the frigates/blackbirds could handle the tackle/ewar so I had none. I saw my role as being the guy with A at the beginning of his name who got primaried by the opposing battlecruiser gang and who should try to make his tank last as long as possible to buy the guy with B at the beginning of his name a little more time. It was all for naught as we never fought a gang that posed a threat to any of our battlecruisers.

To me, massive tank with respectable DPS is the Drake's (admittedly somewhat OP) strength and I try to play to my ship's strengths.

[glepp]

I'm hoping that we can actually turn the "alumni roams" into something which pilots in Agony might tag along with for fun and gfs, rather than feel they have to turn up as support.

I thought that was what the KISS Club was for <ducks out of the way>.

Well yes in a way it was as in people said they would come along once or twice a month. You do that anyway, so do I. The "club" part was the issue, nothing else.

Again I am simply pointing out that Alumni roams (or class roams with alumni tagging along) are not corp roams. You cannot guarantee a minimum turnout or "standard". I don't have a problem with that, I'm along to learn fleet stuff and the more variety the better.

Agony pilots fly support for class or alumni roams because we like it. It's fun and usually has plenty of targets.

We don't do it because we have to. In fact, this applies to most of what we do. We don't have mandatory ops and we don't have CTAs (well, we do, but they're not mandatory, it usually means we have a juicy target)

We do what we must because it's fun.

[AkJon Ferguson]

The only valid objection to KISS Club isn't 'Club' it's the hard cap on numbers. Why set an arbitrary limit? 'KISS Club is a group of Agony alumni who enjoy PVPing well, with good fits, finding good fights and winning them.' If you include a statement like that, you give it an identity. You give the people who enjoy dying horribly just for laughs a chance to read it and say 'Gee, that's not for me.' It's not elitist at all. It just lets people know there are 2 types of Alumni roams. KISS Club roams (for people who want to become REALLY good at PVP and who are prepared to fit and behave accordingly) and other alumni roams (for people who like to drunkenly warp from gate to gate until they explode.) But yeah, it seems that's not meant to be.

[roigon]

If alumni roams where full of km whores all those drakes on the last fleet would have been floating bricks with no DPS and a sebo's fitted for good measure. Now I wasn't with the fleet, so perhaps they all were ^.^ But I don't particularly think that was the case.

My drake fit was a floating brick (virtually identical to this guy's fit,) but I still had 2 damage mods (and ~400 DPS (402+ drones with my skills.) out to ~70km) I figured the frigates/blackbirds could handle the tackle/ewar so I had none. I saw my role as being the guy with A at the beginning of his name who got primaried by the opposing battlecruiser gang and who should try to make his tank last as long as possible to buy the guy with B at the beginning of his name a little more time. It was all for naught as we never fought a gang that posed a threat to any of our battlecruisers.

To me, massive tank with respectable DPS is the Drake's (admittedly somewhat OP) strength and I try to play to my ship's strengths.

I'm no expert on the intricacies of fleet composition and ship fittings. The point I wanted to make is that to my novice opinion I have seen no one outright killmail whoring as is more often the practice in other generally open fleets like the old failheap flights. I've got one acquaintance who used to proudly say he was going to be kill mail whoring and apparently fit his ship specifically for that purpose.

On the subject of drake fitting, a drake can reputation tank at least for a little bit, when you have drakes and canes on the field, I wouldn't worry too much about the tank of my drake. It's actually for this reason I opted to put together a heavy tackle vengeance instead of my harby; I heard a lot of people were fitting drakes and while I don't particularly mind losing ships, I'd rather avoid it if possible. I ended up flying cov ops, but had I flown out in my harby I could have just as well put a sticker on my hull saying "shoot me first", whether or not that would have been a dual 1600mm plate tanked harby or a paper thin harby of doom would have had extremely little impact on how soon I would have died.

[AkJon Ferguson]

On the subject of drake fitting, a drake can reputation tank at least for a little bit, when you have drakes and canes on the field, I wouldn't worry too much about the tank of my drake. It's actually for this reason I opted to put together a heavy tackle vengeance instead of my harby; I heard a lot of people were fitting drakes and while I don't particularly mind losing ships, I'd rather avoid it if possible. I ended up flying cov ops, but had I flown out in my harby I could have just as well put a sticker on my hull saying "shoot me first", whether or not that would have been a dual 1600mm plate tanked harby or a paper thin harby of doom would have had extremely little impact on how soon I would have died.

"Reputation tank", I like that. You make a lot of good points. Try flying dramiels in t1 frigate blobs with A at the start of your name for a while and then tell me more about 'shoot me first' stickers.

We could have used another few battlecruisers but good on you for stepping up and scouting.

FWIW, I crunched the numbers on those of us in drakes/hurricanes/rupture (why don't killboards let you do this automatically?) and the Sarek's Whore of the Roam award goes to Sander, who managed to inflict a whopping 41,364 damage to the enemies of our fleet. First runner up was kikutake, with 36,035. Congratulations both. (I didn't look at podkills but I'm sure results wouldn't have changed.)

[Sarek Minyatar]

there is nothing wrong with being on the most killmails or dealing damage. Why would anyone criticize a fleet member for dealing the most damage on a roam or call him a km-whore? Some people have better skills or faster connections or click faster or guess the best ammo-type while you keep shooting barrage. km-whoring is about fitting your ship (or flying it) in a retarded way that compromises its usefulness to the fleet because you maximize your km-whoring mods. very few ships actually need sensor boosters or scanres rigs and the lack of ewar or tanking mods that should be there makes you less useful to your fleet.
Check this fit out.
This guy absolutely melted when primaried, because he had no resists, no ewar, no buffer. but 6 scanres boosting mods so he could lock like a frigate and get in on all the kills. (extra hilarity points for the Gyros )

[roigon]

km-whoring is about fitting your ship (or flying it) in a retarded way that compromises its usefulness to the fleet because you maximize your km-whoring mods.

That's my understanding of the term as well.

Check this fit out.
This guy absolutely melted when primaried, because he had no resists, no ewar, no buffer. but 6 scanres boosting mods so he could lock like a frigate and get in on all the kills. (extra hilarity points for the Gyros )

Oh wow, what a coincidence I fit my harby the exact same way (I'm also pretty surprised that actually fits)

"Reputation tank", I like that. You make a lot of good points. Try flying dramiels in t1 frigate blobs with A at the start of your name for a while and then tell me more about 'shoot me first' stickers.

I got the term from keada/kohana maxwell. While I can't change my name, I've been thinking of maybe training a bit to buy a dram for the dram roam glepp put up. Going to depend on the price of the hull

FWIW, I crunched the numbers on those of us in drakes/hurricanes/rupture

I applaud you for your spreadsheet-fu,while I more or less agree with Sarek that the numbers aren't all that important and you can't really separate between fit/skill/luck for raw dmg, position and opportunity. But I can appreciate a good spreadsheet, and I'm not even joking. (you should see my PI spreadsheet)

[AkJon Ferguson]

FWIW, I crunched the numbers on those of us in drakes/hurricanes/rupture

I applaud you for your spreadsheet-fu, while I more or less agree with Sarek that the numbers aren't all that important and you can't really separate between fit/skill/luck for raw dmg, position and opportunity. But I can appreciate a good spreadsheet, and I'm not even joking. (you should see my PI spreadsheet)

My first year and change in EVE was all about the spreadsheets. The next year was all about wormholes/sleepers. The last few months have been all about logging in to change skills.

This roam was pretty conducive for a direct comparison as no friendly battlecruisers died. I think the numbers would be very useful over time (not as useful as a snapshot, but still interesting to look at) and I'm surprised I've never seen a killboard with that type of functionality (pick a set of killmails and have it spit out the total damage dealt by each player across the set.) Can't imagine it would be that hard to program.

Also might be useful to ferret out those ebil spais! (or at least force them to shoot their buddies so as not to blow their cover)

[Kaeda Maxwell]

If people bring good hulls with good fits and understand their roles we can hold our own with anybody.

Opinions on what exactly those are vary wildly though. On most Alumni roams people seem to favour HML Drakes/Shield Canes I find that a poor choice (and mix (due to weapon range differences)) for example.

Most BC roams we go on the fleet spends a good amound of time sitting on gates/celestials/bubbles and engagements take place within 30km. Ideal for armour tanked canes/harbies.

There's nothing wrong with Drakes or Nano canes but both excel at link supported nano-gangs where they can flexibly dictate the range of the engagement or just run if it goes south and the level off alumni roam piloting is nowhere near the skill level required for those.

I've asked in the past in Alumni roam threads if the FC could please state an armour/shield tank preference (and an optimal to aim for would be nice too...) I've never seen an answer and little things like that matter, especially with 'kitchen sink' fleets like alumni roams.

[Othran]

FWIW, I crunched the numbers on those of us in drakes/hurricanes/rupture (why don't killboards let you do this automatically?) and the Sarek's Whore of the Roam award goes to Sander, who managed to inflict a whopping 41,364 damage to the enemies of our fleet.

He might have done more damage but he got blown up at the sun because he was sitting inside the hictor bubble for reasons unknown to me - this is what I meant about KM whoring in hictors, I'm on that killmail too

[Angelio]

FWIW, I crunched the numbers on those of us in drakes/hurricanes/rupture (why don't killboards let you do this automatically?) and the Sarek's Whore of the Roam award goes to Sander, who managed to inflict a whopping 41,364 damage to the enemies of our fleet. First runner up was kikutake, with 36,035. Congratulations both. (I didn't look at podkills but I'm sure results wouldn't have changed.)

Don’t agree with you on this one. Don’t think the higher damage dealer is a bad thing. It would be interesting if it is possible to see how mach damage did pilot do in comparison to the km he is on.

I can imagine someone who likes to be on all km to simply spread his damage to all enemies ships instead on focusing his fire on primary and by making that he is unnecessarily prolonging the fight.

[roigon]

If people bring good hulls with good fits and understand their roles we can hold our own with anybody.

I've asked in the past in Alumni roam threads if the FC could please state an armour/shield tank preference (and an optimal to aim for would be nice too...) I've never seen an answer and little things like that matter, especially with 'kitchen sink' fleets like alumni roams.

I sort of understand why Agony would perhaps not feel comfortable doing that, knowing that it would perhaps exclude certain people from joining. I for instance still have to train my hull upgrades V (a shame as an amarrian, but there you have it)

Perhaps it would be an interesting attempt to organise an alumni roam independently. Perhaps by first creating a topic to decide on a good fleet mix for a ~20-30 man fleet, then creating a roam topic for it where people can sign up, with a specific fleet mix outlined. I wouldn't go as far as to totally dictate all ships and fits that should be used, but something akin to what Kohana mentioned, general ship types, desired optimals, etc... Then perhaps divide it up in signup for different roles in the fleet, tackle, scirmisher, DPS or ecm or whatever.

Leaves the problem of FC, but perhaps that could simply be a fillable position as well.

Just a thought.

[Othran]

No real point in specifying shield or armour unless there's logis along - well not for anything below BC size where the align time is going to add up. Personally I can't stand armour canes but I have used them before on Agony class roams and they're fairly resilient (especially with 4 logis on you, that was a good class roam). The align time annoys the hell out of me though, but I guess its not that different from the Broadsword in that respect.

[Kaeda Maxwell]

If people bring good hulls with good fits and understand their roles we can hold our own with anybody.

I've asked in the past in Alumni roam threads if the FC could please state an armour/shield tank preference (and an optimal to aim for would be nice too...) I've never seen an answer and little things like that matter, especially with 'kitchen sink' fleets like alumni roams.

I sort of understand why Agony would perhaps not feel comfortable doing that, knowing that it would perhaps exclude certain people from joining. I for instance still have to train my hull upgrades V (a shame as an amarrian, but there you have it)

Your tank does not suddenly fail because you lack a single T2 version of a module (EANM) and 5% armour. That's just your ocd talking ;-)

No real point in specifying shield or armour unless there's logis along - well not for anything below BC size where the align time is going to add up.

Anwsered your own question It affects align times, if your entire fleet is shield you are a faster fleet this matters. If your entire fleet is armour you're a (often) sturdier fleet with prolly more e-war that also matters. Logis or no logis.