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#1 Old Toterra

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 04:25 AM

Double Stop Bubble
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#2 vissuddha

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 04:40 AM

Me likes Good for smartbombs? Regular bombs? snipers? ? ? ? ?

#3 Sever Aldaria

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 05:19 AM

Me likes

Good for smartbombs? Regular bombs? snipers? ? ? ? ?


People stupid enough not to use tacs :P
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#4 Kasandra Mae

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 08:03 AM

Not sure why he is doing the 5km thingy with the dozen bubbles though. Shouldn't you be able to just power back towards the gate you are trying to catch from until you are ~145 of the gate you are anchoring at?

#5 Varius

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 08:32 AM

I think he's doing it because it's not always at 145 km.

#6 DaDutchDude

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 08:39 AM

@viss: I think this would be nice with a couple of Huginns with Loki bonusses and a bunch of longish range ships. Sentry Domies with assisted drones could be funny. Web anything down that lands in the bubble and proceed to kill. To help decloaking, anchor a secure container on the catch point and assign some rep drones to it, so they move around nicely and have a good chance decloaking stuff. All done! @sev: indeed, this is (as any other bubble camp) a dummy trap, a Darwinian device if you will. @Kas: Yeah, basically it seems like a way to do it for dummies that can't be bothered finding the 150km border.
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#7 Granger

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 09:05 AM

Already documented in our Wiki and forums about a year to 18 months ago, as found by myself, Yam, and others while testing on sisi. DISCLAIMER: The distances at which this works seems to change from patch to patch, so YMMV. Nice video though :)
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#8 Silas

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 09:17 AM

@Dutch: The T2 large bubble should decloak anything that gets caught on the edge of the medium bubble. Can't hurt to jet more stuff though, just to be safe...

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#9 keacte

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 09:50 AM

Didnt know about this... fookin great!! :D

#10 Los Lecrosis

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Posted 26 February 2011 - 07:55 AM

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#11 AkJon Ferguson

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Posted 27 February 2011 - 06:40 AM

VERY clever. Overpowered, really. (Seems like a semi-exploit.) I'm surprised I've never landed in one of these.
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#12 Corywyn

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Posted 27 February 2011 - 11:10 AM

Already documented in our Wiki and forums about a year to 18 months ago, as found by myself, Yam, and others while testing on sisi. DISCLAIMER: The distances at which this works seems to change from patch to patch, so YMMV.


Do you have a link handy? *would love to read it*

#13 Silas

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Posted 27 February 2011 - 03:43 PM

VERY clever. Overpowered, really. (Seems like a semi-exploit.) I'm surprised I've never landed in one of these.

It's not at all overpowered imo... It uses known game mechanics to lay a trap. Takes a fair amount of time to set up. Not to mention the T2 large bubbles are kinda expensive. It is also easily avoidable by using TACs and scouts.

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#14 Loash

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Posted 28 February 2011 - 09:45 AM

It's not at all overpowered imo... It uses known game mechanics to lay a trap. Takes a fair amount of time to set up. Not to mention the T2 large bubbles are kinda expensive. It is also easily avoidable by using TACs and scouts.


Agreed, it's nasty but not overpowered. If you're in hostile territory and warping gate to gate without scanning for bubbles (or using unaligned off-gate tacs to have a look at the gate if it's a known location, afterall when is any territory not 'hostile' to Agony) then...well, we all know how that ends. This is just a 'you really ain't getting away with this mistake' addition ;)
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#15 killa_bee

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 09:59 AM

Old, Yam and i tested something like this a year ago. We ended up about 300 Km in front of a gate where the catch bubble was :blink:
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#16 TMakto

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 05:44 PM

neat.

#17 TMakto

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 02:55 PM

in fact, double neat

#18 Vjorn

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 08:17 AM

I liked this so much I decided I wanted a couple of them at my POS in my wh. So, I took down the Large I had set at zero, droped a can there, did a warpto the moon at 100km, dropped a med and anchored it. I went to test that med by warping to the moon at zero.....and went right thru the bubble. I tried warping at 50 as well as 100 and still went right thru the bubble... Is there a POS bubbling mechanic that I'm unaware of?? If so, could someone please enlighten me :P Vj

#19 Gavin

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 07:15 PM

The only thing I can think of is if you warped from a different place the second time your path might not have intersected the bubble. The reason people put the bubble at zero on tower moons is that no matter where you come from you'll get pulled to the bubble, hopefully where an anchored can will decloak you. You moved it 100 km off from that point, so if you came in at a different angle you could miss it.
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#20 AkJon Ferguson

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 02:40 AM

I liked this so much I decided I wanted a couple of them at my POS in my wh.

Ya, I had the same thought (my tower has pitifully few kills.) But you have to figure out where people are warping from or this doesn't work. Your best bets are to set one up from the sun and one from the nearest planet.

And ya, you almost certainly warped from a different spot when you set up the bubble than when you tested the bubble.
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#21 Vjorn

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 03:21 AM

Hehe, unfortunately, the obvious error ya'll thought I made...didn't occur. My POS is located at P8, M2....the furthest celestial from the sun in my system. I did have a large t1 bubble set at zero, which would drag anyone warping from any celestial to it's edge (due to the way my system is laid out). I unanchored the large and replaced it with a jetcan so as to have a visual reference for my tests. I then warped to P8 at zero, then warped to M2 at 100km, checked that I was 100km from the jetcan, then launched/anchored a med t1. Once bubble was up, I warped back to P8 at zero, then warped to M2 at zero. I warped thru the bubble...wtf moment sets in. I'm 2300m from my can, I swing my camera around and yep, P8 is directly inline with the bubble. I warp to P8 at zero, warp to M2 at 50km. I warped thru the bubble...wtf moment sets in again. I warped back to P8 at zero, warp to M2 at 100km.....surely the bubble will catch me at the edge now....right???? I warped into the bubble so that I was about 1900m away from the disruptor...wtf moment sets in yet again. Oh, ship used for the tests was my cheetah....so I should have been caught at/near the edge of the bubble. So, now I'm wondering if you need to have something "solid" at zero to warp to...like a gate???? I'm stumped and reaching for straws :unsure: Vj Edit: obviously, since the initial med bubble failed to catch me, I aborted setting up the rest of the bubbles for the Double Stop.

#22 AkJon Ferguson

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 03:28 AM


I'm stumped and reaching for straws :unsure:

Vj

Here's something to try:

Warp to your can. Slowboat 5km towards your bubble. Bookmark that location (make sure you're like 95km or so from the bubble.) Then warp to the planet. Then warp to the bookmark you just made. Then extricate yourself from your bubble.

Then come in here and say 'Thanks AkJon.'
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#23 Vjorn

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 03:42 AM

Well, I'll give anything a try... However, I'm not sure that would really help, since I'll be the only one with that particular bm. Whilst everyone else wanting to scope my pos out will be warping to M2 at 0-100. But, I will try it hehe. Along with another couple ideas I've come up with. Vj

#24 AkJon Ferguson

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 03:49 AM

Well, I'll give anything a try...

However, I'm not sure that would really help, since I'll be the only one with that particular bm. Whilst everyone else wanting to scope my pos out will be warping to M2 at 0-100.

But, I will try it hehe. Along with another couple ideas I've come up with.

Vj

Oh, I didn't mean that was the final solution, only that it would indicate the problem (that you had placed the bubble a little too far away and you'd have to move it 5km or so closer.)
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