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[Tzimon]

Just wondering what your opinions are of buffer fit PVP frigates and PVP frigates that have some sort of rep. I've been seeing a lot of people put a small rep of some sort on a frigate where possible, even if it has an armor plate fitted or a shield module or something. I remember a long time ago that this used to be something PVP vets would get all disgruntled at.

Also, what do you guys think of this Rifter fit?

(Rifter, Valkyr)
3x 150mm Light Autocannon II
5W Infectious Power System Malfunction

Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 25
J5b Prototype Warp Scrambler I
1MN Afterburner II

Small Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Small Projectile Burst Aerator I
2x Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Also, nice to see you're still in the PVP training business- I looked into it a long time ago and never got into a class..Hopefully I can this time. Feel free to chat with me in the ingame channel "The Ninja Alliance" anytime.

It really depends on what you're looking to do. If you are in a larger gang and you get tackled and "pinned" down, fitting a repper on your T1 frig won’t matter because you will die before your local reps can make a difference. It would therefore, be more of a benefit to fit something else (ie, ewar, damage, buffer). This is why we teach in PvP basic that your tank is your speed, small sig and ewar.

For 1v1 or "fishing" type setups, local reps are acceptable fits because the damage incoming is not so overwhelming that a repper would actually aid you.

Here is a an example of a popular Rifter fit using active armor reppers.

Rifter
Damage Control II
Small Armor Repairer II
200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator

150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
E5 Prototype Energy Vampire

Small Projectile Burst Aerator I
Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I
empty rig slot

[JordanParey]

Of course. This was more of a 1v1 frigate fit- for gang I would fit a buffer and a resist along with the DCII, if possible, and a named small RR instead of the neut.

[Skrewed]

For lots of pvp rifter info, check out Toterra's blog: Scram Web

[snoldier]

i am the type of person that wants to operate in the smaller class ships only,(all T2 frigates and cruisers) and would love to be an elitists in all of them. i was wondering if this would be a viable and valuable asset to agony?, as i am striving to be a part of a well organised corporation like agony unleashed

[DaDutchDude]

i am the type of person that wants to operate in the smaller class ships only,(all T2 frigates and cruisers) and would love to be an elitists in all of them.

i was wondering if this would be a viable and valuable asset to agony?, as i am striving to be a part of a well organised corporation like agony unleashed

Pretty much any gang can always use frigates, destroyers and cruisers, although a lot of the more advanced gangs require the T2 versions to really shine, like covops, inties, dictors, HACs, HICs, recons and logistics. Personally I'd advise you to train battlecruisers as well, since you can use the T2 weapon skills you've already trained for cruisers and get access to ships with (imho) the best performance per Isk.

[snoldier]

i am the type of person that wants to operate in the smaller class ships only,(all T2 frigates and cruisers) and would love to be an elitists in all of them.

i was wondering if this would be a viable and valuable asset to agony?, as i am striving to be a part of a well organised corporation like agony unleashed

Pretty much any gang can always use frigates, destroyers and cruisers, although a lot of the more advanced gangs require the T2 versions to really shine, like covops, inties, dictors, HACs, HICs, recons and logistics. Personally I'd advise you to train battlecruisers as well, since you can use the T2 weapon skills you've already trained for cruisers and get access to ships with (imho) the best performance per Isk.

i was meaning would it be appropriate and advanta'ges to agony for one character to be able to fly all the T2 frigates and T2 cruisers to their full potential? as these ships tend to have more of a role than just dps

[Aelana Anais]

i am the type of person that wants to operate in the smaller class ships only,(all T2 frigates and cruisers) and would love to be an elitists in all of them.

i was wondering if this would be a viable and valuable asset to agony?, as i am striving to be a part of a well organised corporation like agony unleashed

Pretty much any gang can always use frigates, destroyers and cruisers, although a lot of the more advanced gangs require the T2 versions to really shine, like covops, inties, dictors, HACs, HICs, recons and logistics. Personally I'd advise you to train battlecruisers as well, since you can use the T2 weapon skills you've already trained for cruisers and get access to ships with (imho) the best performance per Isk.

i was meaning would it be appropriate and advanta'ges to agony for one character to be able to fly all the T2 frigates and T2 cruisers to their full potential? as these ships tend to have more of a role than just dps

Where ever you are, that is a useful combination of skills and it helps with any battle cruiser + hulls you end up eventually piloting as well. Especially the pre-requisites to a lot of the t2 hulls end up being core skills that help everywhere. There are some exceptions (for example, personally I wouldn't spend too much time on electronic attack frigates) but having the racial diversity is also useful, especially for ships with typed bonuses like Stealth Bombers.

Keep in mind though that if you spread yourself too thin (especially initially) you will end up overloaded with information and things to learn. I would say, train for it but start out specializing in one or two areas, get competent with them and then branch out further if you so desire. Remember that in game skills do not equal out of game skills... you could have perfect ECM skills, but if you have spent no time in an ECM boat, chances are you will die and die frequently without any guidance or experimentation. And if your fleet is relying on you to provide that function, you may end up getting your fleet killed.

But this is just my personal point of view and I should say with full disclosure that I am relatively new at PvP and Agony (still a trial) as well.

[Azual]

i was meaning would it be appropriate and advanta'ges to agony for one character to be able to fly all the T2 frigates and T2 cruisers to their full potential? as these ships tend to have more of a role than just dps

Yes, it would be useful. That said, if you want to be 'elite' in a given ship class you really need to fly that ship (or similar ships) a lot. Because all the different t2 frigs and cruisers are so varied, I'd recommend focusing on a selection of them and becoming really good at flying that selection.

Like Dutch, I'd also recommend you don't discount t1 ships like battlecruisers. If you're flying (and losing) t2 ships all the time you're going to need a really solid income stream.

[Druur]

*pock*pock* Is this still on?

I actually have an Agony-related question, but it requires a bit of background: For the last year if have worked (more off than on) on a video using footage from the HSSR roams last year. There's still some fine tuning to do, but finally I have a complete first cut at hand. In the title sequence, the video features prominently the Agony logo, and have a suspicion that this might be misconstrued by a naive viewer that the video is an Agony-official one. I can modify the sequence, but I think it would lose impact if I did so.

So the question: Does Agony mind my use of their logo? Or if this is the wrong audience for the question, who would I have to ask?

Note that I'd be happy to donate the video to Agony, should you guys like it well enough.

And so that you can see for yourself, I have uploaded the first minute of the video (downscaled, heavily compressed, unpolished) as MP4 file to Eve-Files: http://eve-files.com/dl/240359.

Edit: Since people were still downloading the teaser weeks after my question, I better update the link here: the full version is now available on Eve-Files: http://eve-files.com/dl/241420 . The instant gratification version can be found on .

[Esbear]

Any of the directors would be able to tell you it's ok. There's even some high resolution versions of the logos that they might send your way. The unpolished teaser looked pretty nice. Can't wait for the finished version.

[Azual]

Fine by me.

[Vjorn]

I have a couple of questions as well as some comments pertaining to Azual's most recent blog, The Directional Scanner In PVP. I am posting here instead of directly in the blog, because I am a complete idiot when it comes to computers, and blogs and such.... So, my first question, Azual, how do I register to leave comments??? hehehe Second question, you mention turning moon brackets on/off. For the life of me, I cannot get moon brackets to show....I have tried making a bracket just for planets/moons, show all brackets, clearing cache, reloading EVE,,,,nothing works.....what am I missing?? Now, to comment on these 3 comments; Cameron said... "In sov space targets are usually in anomalies rather than belts, and you'll need a core probe launcher to locate them." I've not flown in sov space before, but can't you use a 30 second passive scan to find anomalies? 4 April 2011 22:50 wensley said... You can but using probes means you have a 32 AU scan range instead of 5 AU with the onboard scanner. On top of that your scan time is between 5 and 8 seconds as opposed to 30. 5 April 2011 09:05 Azual said... Wensley is right, but I probably should have clarified. You can find anomalies with the on-board scanner, but the range and scan time makes it a bit impractical for quickly finding targets unless it's a small system. Dropping a core scanner probe lets you scan quicker and at much longer range, so it's the preferred method. 5 April 2011 12:22 I would like to add that if you wander into w-space, dropping core probes should be that last thing done. Reason being, w-space dwellers who have any common sense will bolt as soon as they see even a single core probe on dscan. You actually will want to warp to each outer planet/center cluster and use the 30 second on-board scanner to find the anomalies; then use your dscan to narrow down which one they are at. If they are not in an anomaly, or at a planet/POS, then you want to again use your dscan to narrow down within 5 degrees the angle they are at, as well as a range to within 1au accuracy. Only then do you deploy core probes (preferably out of their dscan range), and using the general info obtained from your dscan results along with your tactical overlay, you can set your probes to 1-2au over the general area where you think they are. With practice, it should take no longer than 2 scans/20-25 seconds to get a warp-able result. Just remember to recall probes as soon as you get 100%. I can't state this with certainty for K-space, but in W-space, anomalies, Mag/Rad/Grav/Lad signatures will always be within 4au of a celestial; wormholes (Unknown signatures) within 8au. Admittedly, this process takes time. However, when you're hunting rabbits in holes, patience can pay off. Lastly, I read The Altruist and Rifter Drifter religously. Many many thanks to both Azual and Wensley for their blogs and insights.

[Gavin]

There's a difference between hunting in wormholes and hunting in normal space. In w-space, there's no local. So, the first sign of hostiles appearing is generally because of the d-scanner, and most wormhole residents learn to rely on it early on. If you're hunting in a covert ops, you can remain cloaked and find all the anomalies without revealing yourself. In sov space, because it's normal space, you appear on local as soon as you enter the system. If the residents are paying attention, they'll be leaving whatever they're doing and either docking or safeing up as soon as they notice you being there. Time is at a premium in that case. They taught us this in the skirmish class. Enter system, drop a probe at max range, scan, and warp to the first sanctum you see. You still may not catch anything if there was a target there, depending on how alert the pilot was. You will not catch anything if you are trying to find the anomaly via the d-scanner; it just takes too long.

[xikorita]

Second question, you mention turning moon brackets on/off. For the life of me, I cannot get moon brackets to show....I have tried making a bracket just for planets/moons, show all brackets, clearing cache, reloading EVE,,,,nothing works.....what am I missing??

1-Controls Shift X or Control Alt Shift X. It was changed in the latest patch so I dont remember the exact shortcut.

2-Your built-in scanner has a range of 4 au only. When hunting in Wormholes, go to the furthest planet where nothing is on dscan, launch a single combat probe and scan all the anomalies. If they are in a Mag or ladar site you have to pin but otherwise you can get into them without them knowing.

[Azual]

Looks like all your questions have been answered already! Gavin and Xik covered it really. I have very little w-space experience, but as far as I'm aware you're absolutely right. Given that there's no local, time is much less important there than not showing yourself (or your probes) on scan until as late as possible. In k-space, you'll often only have so much time from you entering local before any smart ratters warp off, so there's a lot more focus on speed. As far as leaving comments, you just need to be logged into a google account (or one of the other accounts on there e.g. OpenID, but google is the only one I'd expect many people to have).

[Druur]

Second question, you mention turning moon brackets on/off. For the life of me, I cannot get moon brackets to show....I have tried making a bracket just for planets/moons, show all brackets, clearing cache, reloading EVE,,,,nothing works.....what am I missing??

1-Controls Shift X or Control Alt Shift X. It was changed in the latest patch so I dont remember the exact shortcut.

This is something I have to look up frequently myself - you can find it in the ESC menu: Shortcuts -> Navigation.

Alt-Z: toggle between current bracket display and all brackets
Shift-Alt-Z: toggle between current bracket display and no brackets
Shift-Alt-X: toggle special brackets (moons, NPCs) on or off

[Vjorn]

Druur!!!!! You da man!!!! I can now comfortably hunt pos's again in a quickish manner Thanks mate! Vj

[AkJon Ferguson]

Necro threads best threads. What happened to the Aether and Dzu? I remember both fondly. Does Agony have a 1 active female at a time policy? Will there be any classes before the tournament? Any chance we'll ever broadcast targets or use tags? I remember that having been said to have not worked in the distant past but I'd be curious to see it tried again.

[Aluchem]

Necro threads best threads.

What happened to the Aether and Dzu? I remember both fondly. Does Agony have a 1 active female at a time policy?

Will there be any classes before the tournament?

Any chance we'll ever broadcast targets or use tags? I remember that having been said to have not worked in the distant past but I'd be curious to see it tried again.

Aether and Dzu - Stopped playing Eve, also:



Classes before the tournament - Don't know, nothing I'm aware of.

Broadcasts for targets - This is something Agony need to start using, not just for classes.

[Secluse]

Should I use a point or a scram on my interceptor?

[Alistone Malikite]

Should I use a point or a scram on my interceptor?

Necro troll.

If flying a fleet interceptor use a point. If flying a combat interceptor a scram. If flying a stiletto, both.

And if you are flying a combat inty then please consider just using an AF instead...

[Secluse]

Necro troll.

If flying a fleet interceptor use a point. If flying a combat interceptor a scram. If flying a stiletto, both.

And if you are flying a combat inty then please consider just using an AF instead...

Oh, I miss the days of my stabber exploding combat interceptors / AFs that were fitted with scrams.

[Dior Saursi]

You besmirch the honor of the noble ranis and claw.

[Aluchem]

I'm interesting to see how CCP will "rebalance" combat inties now they are essentially obsolete, and this is coming from the biggest Taranis fanboy you will encounter.

[Alistone Malikite]

I'm interesting to see how CCP will "rebalance" combat inties now they are essentially obsolete, and this is coming from the biggest Taranis fanboy you will encounter.

hammereds?