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[CLOSED] PVP-Wolfpacks Class August 28/29 18:00

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#1 Skrewed


Posted 28 July 2010 - 03:46 AM

Enrollment for this class is closed.

Class will be Saturday, August 28 with the roam on Sunday, August 29, both days at 18:00 eve time.

Introduction - Wolfpacks Thrasher pwnmobile Edition

You've asked, you've begged and the long awaited Wolfpacks class is finally here. I've completely overhauled the class material and I'm going to try out a very different approach this time. This is the class where you put on the big girl panties and get serious, as such, there are some additional terms and conditions though for this class:
* You must fly one of the thrasher fits listed below.
* You must not have any qualms about losing your ship or your pod during the class or roam. During the class there will be live fire exercises and you very possibly will lose your ship. (Using the cheap T1 fit with no rigs for the class portion and then switching to the pwnmobile t2 fit for the roam is not a problem.)
* No bitching, whining, PM's or posts complaining about item 1 or 2. I really don't give a rats ass that you only fly _____ (insert whatever race) of ships or that you lost your ship.
* Those that can't follow rule 3 will be ejected from class, shot and podded. Are you getting the message that this is an all thrasher class and I don't care if you don't like it?
* All the above apply to Alumni that are coming on the roam too. While this class is called Wolfpacks it's really more of a how to survive in null-sec class. For the class itself, we'll cover bookmarking techniques, scanning & recon, bubble mechanics, gang bonuses and some tackling/skirmish basics. This class will not cover ship fittings (they've been given to you). On the roam you'll understand why I've called it the pwnmobile--just watch the destructive force of 80-100 ships not much bigger than a frigate with an 800-1266 alpha strike can do.

Thrashers are pwnmobiles. The T1 fit takes about 3 days for a brand new character to fly and the T2 is about 3 weeks. Please come in the T1 fit thrasher (leave the rigs off too) for the class portion. It's possible we will be doing some live fire exercises and you could lose your ship during the class. Agony will have a supply of both the T1 and T2 fits in our station up on contract (around jita prices) so you can reship and don't have to bring a bunch of stuff to class.

There are a couple of other reasons for limiting this class to thrashers. First, I didn't want this class to be about ships but about techniques. Second, I wanted a fit that would handle a class of 50-80 well, I wanted some range flexibility and I wanted flexibility in fitting any of the listed ewar modules in the last mid-slot. Are there better solo, gank or snipe fits? Definitely. But this class takes the pack concept even further and while there are better specialized fits, I really wanted to focus on a general fleet concept.

Will all your Wolfpacks classes from now on be all thrashers? Too soon to tell. This is a major change-up of our Wolfpacks class and we look at both your feedback and our own internal assessments of how things went. I will talk in the class though about why "designed" or "concept" fleets can be so amazingly effective.

Why is there an empty mid slot? You took basic right? What went in the mid slots first? The T1 and T2 mid-slot ewar modules are listed below the fits. Just like in basic class, we'll balance out what people have fitted before the fleet heads out.

Live Fire - You're going to shoot at me? Quite possibly, get over it. Don't bring the +5 implant clone and use the t1 fit without rigs for the class portion. Compared to Basic class, this one is much more hands on actually trying things out. By removing all the stuff on ship fittings, we can really focus on tactics and strategies.

How To Enroll

Processing enrollment takes a decent amount of time that instructors would rather be spending doing something else such as actually playing the game. When students try to be individualistic, creative or are just lazy, it makes more work for the instructors and they tend to get cranky. For this reason IMPROPER ENROLLMENTS WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED!! In order to enroll properly, please click on the following link and read the article carefully before adding your pilot to the enrollment thread.

Course Details

* Course Code:WOLFPACKS-201008281800
* Required Courses:

* Required Skills:

* Propulsion Jamming 3+
* Afterburner 3+
* Destroyer 3+
* Sensor Linking 3+
* Small Projectile Turret 3+
* Weapon Upgrades 3+
* Engineering 3+
* Electronics 3+
* Long Range Targeting 3+
* Navigation 3+
* Warp Drive Operation 3+
* High Speed Maneuvering 3+
* Evasive Maneuvering 3+
* Required Preparation:

* Study the Agony Unleashed Rules of Engagement.
* Read all course materials in PVP-WOLFPACKS category
* Buy and fit at least 2 thrashers using the fits below and move them to the class location prior to the course. (Note that we will swap out EWAR in class so one of each would be good to have).
* Come on Ventrilo before the course to verify that your microphone and headset are working.
* Access to course material will be granted one week before class.
* Required Equipment: Detailed in PVP-WOLFPACKS and topic
* Cost and Duration: 18m isk per pilot (16m isk per pilot for corp/alliance accounts)
* Course Code: WOLFPACKS-20100828
* Duration: Usually 6 to 8 hours
* Meeting Location: Esa
* Instructor: SkrewedUp
* Fleet Commander: TBA
* Course Cashier: Please send the course fee directly to the "Agony Unleashed" Corporation, and use the course code in the transfer.
* Minimum Enrollment: 30
* Maximum Enrollment: 60
* Enrollment Deadline: 48 Hours before the start of the course.
Make sure you are prepared for the course and have arrived ahead of time. Instructors will not wait for late or unprepared students. Instructors will assume you have read the materials and if you haven't you will be lost very quickly.

Follow the following pattern to enroll:
For Example
[blockquote]Bamar - Christina Bamar (AGONY)[/blockquote]
If you chose to be creative, sloppy, use different brackets, put in your pilot name twice or anything else like that we will not process your enrollment and you will have to try again.

Enrollment Info :
Confirmed and Paid students:
* Aalok Anonie - Aalok Anonie (SHIK)
* aiifa - aiifa (rt66)
* Akshaz - Akshaz (EDROP) CORP$
* Angelilia - Angelilia Shirly (EDROP) CORP$
* angry frylock - Angry Frylock (KANI) ALLIANCE$(5rk)
* AngryMusheen - AngryMusheen (KANI) ALLIANCE$
* Apenance - Afarce (HNQIT) CORP$
* Automa - Automa (EDROP) CORP$
* Bormand - Bormand (GRTP)
* BP - Bendy Profane (E-UNI)
* cael - Cael Vhiran (OOL)
* Crazed Wombat - Conal Orion (EDROP) CORP$
* Dior Saursi- Dior Saursi (B)
* DkAnoor - DkAnoor (OHMSS)
* Eldridh - Eldridh Ravenkil (RIOTS)
* Everto Trucido - Everto Trucido (MW)
* Gaia - Gaia Terminus - (Pla)
* Gavin - Gavin DeVries (LJGD)
* Grigg Grrete - Grigg Grrete (EDROP) CORP$
* Ifi Degatoth - Ifi Degatoth(DROW) CORP$
* Jedi Mindtricks - Jedi Mindtricks (EDROP) CORP$
* Jenna Krayg - Jenna Krayg (EDROP) CORP$
* John Haldane - John Haldane (EDROP) CORP$
* John192 - John192 (Rak) CORP$
* KiterTwo - Tengku Aishah (DECOY)
* Klaus Pilonzi - Klaus Pilonzi (IYEG)
* Layla Aamiriya - Layla Aamiriya (TUOHK)
* Lem Skall - Lem Skall (KCB)
* llifeguard -llifeguard (TTI) CORP$
* Mar Gregorios - Mar Gregorios (ADHC) CORP$
* Meyr - Meyr (EDROP) CORP$
* Michagorov - Michagorov (GRTP)
* Niall Ramar - Niall Ramar(EDROP) CORP$
* Nuttz25 – Nuttz25 (TRECI)
* Orosono - Orosono (NET 7)
* ottokama - otto kama - (PIG - I)
* Pancratius - Pancratius (EMPL)
* Protoracknis - Protoracknis (SHIK)
* PsychoBitch - PsychoBitch [PLA]
* Rain - Rain Kaessinde (LIMEN)
* RemyHansen - RemyHansen (k-F-R) CORP$
* Retharr - Retharr (NF)
* Rexorr - Rexorr (MAADI) CREDIT
* Sellyy - Mezzerie (0BE)
* Shaalira - Shaalira D'arc (SEPHR)
* tigkill - Oliver Everett (NF)
* Vjorn-Bjorn Angannon(FLEET)
* Wijam - Ashinuk (R-FED)
* Xavier duLac - Xavier duLac (.VC.)
* Eveelle - Evelle Th'weavel(RIOTS) (helps if you spell you game name right too)
* Haganah-Haganah (16CRG)
* Hydrow76 - PieRat King (Drow)
* Paauggie - Flippijngton Bigboy(RIOTS)
* Srialia - Srialia (T0Y5)
* Roidsterr – Sloth Commander (AMICU) AWE
* Louis deGuerre – Louis deGuerre (AMICU)
* Ked Yatzs - Ked Yatzs (AMICU)
* Lat - xxLatvianxx (AWE)
* Majik - Azgard Majik (DM2)
* Mangala Solaris - Mangala Solaris (BFED)
*AGONY Students:
* Garulf Hirgon - Garulf Hirgon (AGONY)
* Shalbane - Shalbane (AGONY)
* Mr_M - Mr M (AGONY)
* Laps3d P4cifist - Laps3d P4cifist (AGONY)
* Kenda - Kenda deLagrange (AGONY)
* Alumni Attending if Space Permits:
* Barret - CSM Barret (OHMSS)
* Urd - Urd Lavaethain (GRTP)
* Iakop - Iakop (IYEG)
* Polar - Polar69 (GRTP)
* Melissa Blick - Melissa Blick (SKEL)
* Crazy Kalibanov - Crazy Kalibanov (GRTP)
* Pesets - Pesets (-300-)
* Algorton - Algorton (AFUSE)
* Dizzy Leduke - Dizzy Leduke [GRTP]
* FoxOne - Baron Leslite (342ND)
* Zophoo - Zophoo (GRTP)
* Philip Loki - Philip Loki (SENX)
* Bylator - Bylator (NSTRS)
* Manic M1ner - Manic M1ner (AFUSE)
* Dingansich - Dingansich (EDROP)
* DocD - Doc Drackken
* George - George T'akei (B-REP)
* Otherone - 0therone (737)
* Alias Forgotten - Alias Forgotten (T.O.D)
* AkJon Ferguson - AkJon Ferguson (FERGY)
* Sagantor - Sagantor (HHOS)
* Sar Hasarin – Zyrtan Keb’Lektar (Scope)
* Avraham Avinu - Avraham Avinu (BNAI)
* Complete Failure – Complete Failure (NPC)
* Mohawk - Mohawk Nephilium (I-R-S)
* Razgar - Razgar Patnovich - (UGDFM)
* Captain Cheerios [CLS]
* JoonBi - JoonBi (TRMP)
* Leu - Leucippus (K-F-R)
* bcg - Jim Hammond (FNA)
* Spurius - Spurius (SAK)
* Muffcobb - Muffcobb (737)
* Jordo - Jordo Wen'asar (S)
* JC Anderson - JC Anderson (STPRO)
* McReaper - McReaper (FT100)
* drezdyn - Drezdyn (MURIE)
* Vora - Vora Dumem (R-FED)
* Wacoede - Wacoede (SWAG)
*Paid but not properly registered:

*Awaiting Confirmation of Payment:
* Yankunytjatjara - Yankunytjatjara (Blue)
* Credited:

* Graduated:


#2 Skrewed


Posted 28 July 2010 - 03:47 AM

[Thrasher, T1 cheap pwnmobile] F-M3 Munition Inertial Suspensor Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Remote Sensor Dampener I Sensor Booster I 250mm Light Carbine Howitzer I, Republic Fleet EMP S 250mm Light Carbine Howitzer I, Republic Fleet EMP S 250mm Light Carbine Howitzer I, Republic Fleet EMP S 250mm Light Carbine Howitzer I, Republic Fleet EMP S 250mm Light Carbine Howitzer I, Republic Fleet EMP S 250mm Light Carbine Howitzer I, Republic Fleet EMP S 250mm Light Carbine Howitzer I, Republic Fleet EMP S Small Remote Armor Repair System I Small Projectile Locus Coordinator I Small Projectile Ambit Extension I [empty rig slot] [Thrasher, New WP T2] Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II 1MN Afterburner II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range [empty med slot] 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S [empty high slot] Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I Small Projectile Locus Coordinator I Small Ancillary Current Router I

#3 Skrewed


Posted 29 July 2010 - 04:12 PM

Wanted to get the class announced. I'll update the ewar fittings this weekend. Start training the t2 skills now.

#4 Skrewed


Posted 30 July 2010 - 03:29 PM

do alumni have to use those fittings?

See item #5 at the top.

My response to the potential of getting podded during the class portion.

There's a few reasons I specifically mentioned that in the class description. I am changing the class format significantly with considerably more hands on and practical applications of knowledge. There is at least one of those exercises that has a high possibility of podding people.

One of the huge goals of our classes is to give people knowledge and experience. Those two items combined are what's needed to overcome fear. Fear of losing, fear of losing a ship, fear of losing your pod are all things that limit a pilot in pvp. As people mentioned you shouldn't undock in anything you don't want to lose, this include implants and your pod. You can't hold back in pvp, you are either all in or not at all.

Am I taking a harsher approach to this class? Maybe but I'd say that I was being realistic. About a year ago I was pretty forceful in a basic class about stfu on vent during fleets and attempted to convey that the fc really didn't give a shit about you as an individual pilot. I got some really harsh feedback on that, people really didn't get it and felt that I was being rude. Honestly, that feedback really shook me up. Mainly because people just didn't get it, which meant that I didn't explain it well. Knowing what to do when things go wrong, how and when to communicate them are vital.

This class is about the harsh realities of living in null-sec, working in fleets and how to deal with it. Is it affected by how Agony does things. Heck yeah. We aren't a corp that views null-sec as an extension of high-sec. We are a corp that fights, shoots at people and has few to no blues. We often go into situations out numbered and out gunned (and win). I don't teach this class so that you can learn how to have a null-sec mining op. I do it so that you can effectively kill stuff.

Sorry this got a bit long....

#5 Skrewed


Posted 02 August 2010 - 12:08 AM

EveMon Skill Plan
Here's a link to an EveMon skill plan for the T2 thrasher fit. Don't panic, you probably don't have time to complete this entire plan from scratch before the class. Make sure it's sorted by priority and you'll be fine. It may also pay significantly to take EveMon's suggestions on any learning skills that you can add to speed things up.
Wolfpacks T2 Thrasher EveMon Plan

#6 Skrewed


Posted 03 August 2010 - 10:06 PM

I updated the fits a bit, pretty sure that I did them under my own character which has Advanced Weapons Upgrades 5 and when I double checked them with a lower skilled character noticed that they were way over on power grid. I may play around with them a bit more but will still keep them focused on the same guns.

Jita Fittings Prices
T1 Cheap: <800,000
T2: <13,000,000

#7 Skrewed


Posted 13 August 2010 - 05:00 PM

Bump. Enrollment for this class opens in about 25 hours from now.

#8 Pancratius

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 06:01 PM

Pancratius - Pancratius (EMPL) BASIC-20100814


#9 Niall Ramar

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 06:01 PM

Niall Ramar - Niall Ramar(EDROP) Pay Via Corp Account Basic Course Code - BASIC-20100814

#10 Barret


Posted 14 August 2010 - 06:01 PM

Barret - CSM Barret (OHMSS)
[link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com//e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?189530]BASIC - 20100417[/link] | [link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?214306]WOLFPACKS-201008281800[/link] | [link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/////e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?210439]Combo Advanced/Advanced HSSR - 1807102100[/link]
[link=http://agony-unleashed.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?164784.0]FC BASIC - 20091114 (asynchronous)[/link] | [link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?199338]The FC's Eyes in PVP - 20101605[/link]
[link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/////e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?210439]HSSR - 1807102100[/link]

[link=http://eveboard.com/pilot/CSM_Barret]Posted Image[/link]

#11 Nuttz25

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 06:01 PM

Nuttz25 – Nuttz25 (TRECI)


Edit to fix link

#12 Urd

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 06:01 PM

Urd - Urd Lavaethain (GRTP) alumni as per HSSR post


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#13 Everto Trucido

Everto Trucido
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Posted 14 August 2010 - 06:01 PM

Everto Trucido - Everto Trucido (MW)

#14 Gavin


Posted 14 August 2010 - 06:01 PM

Gavin - Gavin DeVries (LJGD)
Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?

BASIC 20100702 <|> WOLFPACKS 20100828 <|> ADVANCED 20110102

COVOPS 1909101800 <|> SKIRMISH - 20110129

#15 John192

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 06:01 PM

John192 - John192 (Rak) Corp Account BASIC-20100814

#16 Iakop


Posted 14 August 2010 - 06:01 PM

Iakop - Iakop (IYEG) Alumni - space permitting

#17 DkAnoor

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 06:01 PM

DkAnoor - DkAnoor (OHMSS)

[link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?189530]BASIC-20100417[/link] | [link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?214306]WOLFPACK-201008281800[/link]

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#18 Polar

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 06:01 PM

Polar - Polar69 (GRTP) Alumni if space permits
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[/link][link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?113601]WOLFPACKS - 2802091800[/link]
[link=http://www.agony-unleashed.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?210439]ADVANCED HSSR -1807102100

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#19 Dharmabum

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 06:01 PM

Layla Aamiriya - Layla Aamiriya (TUOHK) BASIC-20100814

#20 Melissa Blick

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 06:01 PM

Melissa Blick - Melissa Blick (SKEL) Alumni (from Advanced HSSR class)

#21 Crazed Wombat

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 06:01 PM

Crazed Wombat - Conal Orion (EDROP) Paid by Corporate Account

I fly scissors. Paper is quite well balanced, but rock needs a nerf badly.

#22 Dior Saursi

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 06:01 PM

Dior Saursi- Dior Saursi (B) attending BASIC-20100814

#23 AngryMusheen

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 06:01 PM

AngryMusheen - AngryMusheen (KANI) alliance account
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#24 automa

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 06:01 PM

Automa - Automa (EDROP) Pay by Corporate Account

#25 Apenance

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Posted 14 August 2010 - 06:01 PM

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